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It is Vietnam All Over Again

Julie Crego — 04:07 PM Feb 11, 2007

As those of you who lived thru that last war will recall, this same tactic was used against war protestors back then too. Divide and conquer! That is, say things to make the protestors and vets believe they are against each other. That will successfully tie up the two problematic forces fighting each other. Well, many vets didn't buy that we were spitting on them and we (the protestors) didn't buy that they thought our cause was anti-American. For the most part we were together. I think this time it's swift-boater at it - and we all know who were behind them! We need to reach out, without anger and remind each other why we are there.

we'll be there

jill mclaughlin — 04:28 PM Feb 11, 2007

Hey Cindy,
I shook your had this time last year in the artic temps of Chicago when we protested outside Rahm Emmanuel's office. I'm just about finished reading your book. I just want to let you know that I have since then become a very active member of World Can't Wait and it is people like you who inspired me to get off my ass and do something and you keep me going when groups like "gathering of eagles" try to intimidate and silence people. I will be there a long with other world can't wait members. Peace. End the War Now-Impeach Bush For War Crimes!

saint cindy

tommie006 — 04:30 PM Feb 11, 2007

is right

A reich for the right?

BobK — 05:02 PM Feb 11, 2007

I find it ironic that a country that honorably and rightfully fought and defeated a raging tyrant in WWII - said tyrant finally, cowardly, committing suicide to escape humiliation - would find folks within it's populace that want to DEFEND the very sort of state that the aforementioned tyrant tried so hard to establish - while the USA paid dearly in lives and resources to demolish it!
If I remember right, the nomer "Gathering of Eagles" was used to label a reunion of ex-Luftwaffe pilots some years back. It's haunting to hear that title used again for a posse of self-ordained patriots for America.

The far right conservative movement it dead!

Robert Mihalek — 05:42 PM Feb 11, 2007

There is nothing left of this lie and this tragedy! The only people holding on to this evil idea are the fools that invested everything to support it.

Listen to Bill Moyers on youtube. With his words he pronounces it dead and irrelevant!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf4-xuq-Ypo

The feckless losers who are still among the powerfull that support this evil will be thrown to the curb! Mitch McConnel, John Boehner, John McCain, Liebermann and hopefully Hillary Clinton will be jobless and unemployable. We will remind you that you are our employees and we don't take kindly to employees who kill and steal!

Righest America Haters

vera — 05:44 PM Feb 11, 2007

I think it is most Apropos that these "rightest America Haters are claiming that particular name, " Gathering of Eagles." What they are doing is in the same catagory of the actions of the German Luftwaffe pilots...as they are practicing the same kind of Nazism. It certainly is not compatible with the oath they swore to defend the United States of America Constitution. We do not have a dictator..as yet, no matter how much Bush yearns to be one, so why the perversion of the oath to read as though you were swearing allegience to a President or a Dictator, and not to the United States Constitution ? Presidents come and go...the Constitution stands.

Hopefully, in time, this 'Leader' will follow the same path as the Leader of the Gathering of Eagles this group is doing it's best to emulate. Now that would be apropos ! vjs

rightest haters-an president bush

momofsoldier/2 — 06:11 PM Feb 11, 2007

a little thought from a mother whom made her daughter an awol soldier-- " you would think as much as man has evoulved in brilliance that he would of overcome his ignorance ".....connie/momofsoldier2

this america?

broken — 06:13 PM Feb 11, 2007

Is the america that you are giving your life for one that will continue to kill 3000 of its own children in our abortuaries daily? Is that the americaa you envision and fight to maintain?

Thanks for helping me decide on whether to go to DC or not!

Kat — 06:14 PM Feb 11, 2007

I was just in DC for the J27 march. It's a long way from Minnesota but these "eagles" don't speak for me!

We Are Patriots And We Deny This Unjust War!

Peter B. — 06:51 PM Feb 11, 2007

Those eagles definitely don't speak for me and they don't speak for this nation. We stand against this War of escalation, murder, torture, cruelty, racism and hatred. The ones in America that still are blinded and still either deny or look away at the aftermath of these atrocities to Bush's War need to snap out of complacency and wake up! This War has cost us domestically, as well as worldly. We have been starved into financial destitution from the billions of taxpayer dollars directed to this, our ports have been left exposed and sold, our highways have been sold, our programs underfunded and cut, our healthcare and social security put in jeopardy, our civil liberties/human rights and justice system endangered, our environment poisoned, our executive service positions in the Justice Dept. including the federal prosecutors' office giving completely to Bush's cronies, our exhausted troops sent over for 3rd/4th-term missions, and our National Guard troops drafted to Iraq to die instead of "protecting our border against national terror". This country needs to stand up as one and fight Bush's War OF Terror and stop it NOW! Thank you Ms. Cindy Sheehan for your bravery and courage to stand against Bush, the real MASS MURDERER! He is the truest xenophobic imperialist!

The Path Towards Victory

EFP — 10:57 PM Feb 11, 2007

Dear Cindy,
Congratulations. You are entering the second phase and surely the most troublesome part of your path to victory. Remember the golden slogan : 'first they ignore you, then they try to smear/hurt/torture/imprison you, then you win'. You are strong and you will win in the end against the devil inside the White House not just because millions all over the planet are on your side, but because your cause is holy and upheld by God. You will win because Universal Justice is on your side. There is no doubt that fascists have hired thugs and mercenaries to intimidate you and throw you into disarray like they have been doing elsewhere woldwide to choke off dissidents and freedom fighters. In Destroyer's jargon the word 'terrorist' is employed to label anyone opposing his tyrany and his wars of hubris and greed. So, don't despair, dear Cindy. It is coming. They are going to call you terrorist and they will try to eliminate you. They will smear the sacred wall bearing the names of Vietnam War's innocent victims and blame you for it, the same way they staged 9/11 massacre and blamed foreign 'terrorists' for it.
Also beware of Cheney's dirty tricks ahead of a new war looming in the horizon. There is going to be a lot of fear mogering and scary lies and probably a new 9/11 to force the war on Americans. These are troubled times. The deranged bastards know they are on their way out,but they intend to inflict the maximum harm not only to the outside world but also to those US citizens who dare to wake up to the nightmarish reality of neo-cons destructive project for world domination. God bless you. Your cause will prevail.

Gathering of Right American Haters

Marine Mike — 11:17 PM Feb 11, 2007

The article was written by C.J. Raven. The publisher is Ted Sampley and his web sites phone number is 252.527.0442 which is the area code of North Carolina. I am a Marine Corps Gulf War Veteran who answered the call, fought and defended the freedom for people like Cindy Sheehan. I will, with honor, continue to serve her and the likes of others to protect her against the propaganda and hateful rhetoric that the "U.S. Veteran Dispatch" adopts as its philosophy. They have what I might consider a rascist cartoon of Senator Obama on their front page. They give people like myself, a Veteran, and my brothers and sisters, a bad name. I will uphold my responsiblilites as a private citizen of the United States Of America, and willfully take the oath to support and defend the United States Constitution, both foreign and "Gathering of the Eagles"/domestic. If these cowards believed what they said they would quit talking, re-enlist and take a free flight to Anbar, Iraq. They are cowardly hypocrites kow-towing to the biggest terrorist of them all, Bush, cause they are scared of a former cheerleader, and Cheney, a guy that doesn't know how to hunt without shooting one of his peers in the face. That's what 5 deferments will bring ya. I have a painting of the Vietnam Memorial hanging up in my home. I've been to "The Wall" several times and I know Cindy Sheehan's heart and she is trying to save our young men and women from being exploited and making another Vietnam Memorial, something this group, the "Rightest American Haters" supports because they are too cowardly to stand up to falsity. They are the biggest cheerleaders for the reich-wing.

Rightist American Haters

Ron Cross — 12:09 AM Feb 12, 2007

I read the aticle refered to and find it offensive, to say the least. I am a Viet Nam Vet. I served a total of over 24.5 years in active and rserve components of our US Armed Forces.
I find it hard to fathom people having such a misguided, misinformed, biggoted outlook as that displayd by the "Gathering of the Eagle" article.
Anyone who values life, family, and friends must, by nature hate war. Anyone who has whitnessed the reality, seen the effects of war must recognize that war is the worst form of barbarity. To be blind to that reality is to to be blind to our own humanity, our own soul, our own being.
None of the peace demonstrators wii be defaming the Wall. The Wrong wingers had best respect the Wall as well. It was erected as a memorial to not just our brother and sister who diedin the Viet Nam War. It is a memorial of healing, a aolem viw of "NEVER AGAIN". It honors those who died ans those who lived. I honors those who fought and those who stayed home. It is a statement that each person is a treasue that must be valued above all else.
These hate monger will be doing the cursing, perhaps the spitting and, by virtue of their venom, defacing the Wall. But, even though they may hate, we do not. We must honor the fallen by declaring our intent for compassion, percy, undertanding, and (yes) peace.

March 17

LANI REINHART — 03:10 AM Feb 12, 2007

This is, of course, very troublesome and, unfortunately, not unexpected. The pro-war citizens are so fearful of anything that does not fall into their tiny realms of experience or ideology that they are on auto pilot right now. It is hard to believe that people can hate for no reason and back that irrational hate up with threats of doing harm to those exercising their Consititutional rights as Americans. Isn't this what we are supposedly attempting to bring (however badly) to the Middle East? Please keep up the good march, the fight for human dignity, and the right of all of us to question our policies. We can love our country unconditionally but we don't have to love what our government is doing in our names! I thank you for your generosity and love for our country. Peace ... Lani

A wise man once said

Erik — 11:01 AM Feb 12, 2007

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

In light of the Eagles increasingly aggressive slander and hatred, the peace movement seems to be reaching the "then they fight you" stage. As sad as it is seeing self proclaimed "patriots" fighting and denouncing the very principles they claim to support (ie. the US Constitution), I see this as a testiment to the growing effectiveness the citizens of this country have on the disasterous foreign policy towards Iraq. Thanks for all you are doing Cindy. Next up "then you win".

Neocon propaganda BS than no one believes anymore

Kevin Schmidt, Sterling VA — 11:36 AM Feb 12, 2007

Does the "March on the Pentagon" have a permit to march from the Vietnam Memorial? Yes.

Does the radical right eagle group? Probably not. But if they do, they will have to stay in the area where the permit allows them to congregate.

During the January march, the anti-peace war mongers had to stand behind a fence along the march route. I would hope it will be the same on March 17.

I can't imagine the park police will allow any comingling of the two groups. If they did, those faux eagles would certainly get their chicken hawk feathers ruffled.

Chicken Hawk War Supporters are the Spineless Ones

Kevin Schmidt, Sterling VA — 11:44 AM Feb 12, 2007

Angelina — 07:01 AM Feb 12, 2007,

Shame on you for believing the neocon propaganda. Please get off of the Kool-Aid.

Shame on you for disrespecting a war veteren who was killed in action, and shame on you for disrespecting his mother.

Since you support the war in Iraq so much, why aren't you chicken hawks over there fighting in your war of choice, war OF terror?

That proves you are the spineless one.

George W. Bush and the Theocons

Darrell Williams — 01:22 PM Feb 12, 2007

George W. Bush and his Theoconservatives have been replacing American Democracy with Christian Theocracy for the past six years. Democracy is more than mob rule. True democracy requires protecting and respecting the rights and beliefs of minorities. Self-righteous Theoconservatives believe that everyone (in the U.S. and Iraq) must be forced to submit to their dogmatic Christian theocracy. When Bush invaded Iraq it was primarily about stealing Iraqi’s oil, but it was also about a worldwide Christian Crusade. Bush's “stay the course” strategy demands that Iraq either be subdued or destroyed. There is no other option in Bush's born-again self-righteous ideology.

Quote at the bottom of an "Eagles" thread.

J.S. — 01:42 PM Feb 12, 2007

"Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction where ever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that."

Oh, we knew.

To all those who care or do not care...

Stephanie S. — 06:33 PM Feb 12, 2007

Cindy is A heroic, courageous, compassionate, wise human being whose integrity gives her the strength to SPEAK TRUTH TO SO-CALLED POWER.

To all those who are deluded, demonized, damning of her efforts, WAKE UP TO THE TRUTH OF YOUR LIVES OF LIES.

TO BOTH GROUPS: WATCH THE FREE FILM ONLINE: FREEDOM TO FASCISM (http://www.freedomtofascism.com) or google Freedom to Fascism)

Another film interviewing American soldiers who fought in Iraq: The Ground Truth (not sure it's yet free or online, but look around, it's being shown in various communities). Or google it and/or order it.

WE ALL COULD USE THIS EDUCATION OF THE TRUTH OF WHAT IS COMING DOWN IN THE WORLD, SO WE CAN MAKE IT GO UP AGAIN!

"Beagles"

Marine MIke — 08:51 PM Feb 12, 2007

I'll be at the Wall. You want to talk smack to Cindy you are talking smack to me. "F" You primitve neanderthal hillbilly trailor trash. Go eat your turkey pot pie and fall off your little mopeds. I served in the United States Marine Corps and earned my stripes. You are nothing but spineless jackass cowards. Go ride your mopeds, cheerleaders. And don't forget your skirts.

Those Cheerleaders

John Williams, Texas — 09:39 PM Feb 12, 2007

I am a Vietnam Vet. I don't believe in the Bush administation. This is Vietnam all over again. I'll be there standing by your side. God Bless, Marine.

— 12:01 AM Feb 13, 2007

Some people writing are incredibly sick to the point of seeming sadistic, psychopathic, and not even worthy of being called human beings. They are abusive and mentally ill people, lashing out obsenities against the very persons who allow them the privilege of writing on this blog. By spitting out their own hatred here, they are, themselves, committing a serious crime. I hope one day, they lose the privilege of having their sick words and thoughts read here.

Filth spewing rightests

Cindy Sheehan — 12:24 AM Feb 13, 2007

Hey Everybody
Thanks for all of the support from you thinking people who love liberty.
The filth spewing rightests who post comments here are desperate because their god, Bloody George, is clearly a piece of filth murderer and their war (that they are way too cowardly to fight) is clearly illegal and immoral, so the only thing they have to rely on is filth and lies.
They can't tell us where Saddam's WMD are, because he had none. They can't tell us where the connection to 9-11 and Saddam is, because therr was none. They want to think that Casey "believed" in the filth in Iraq because they are filthy war mongers and they want to think just because Casey wanted to afford college that he was one too.

There is no place for filthy war supporters on this blog. Go masturbate somewhere else. Go get a permit to spew your filth somewhere else.

It's not your wall...it's our wall.

We will be there because we are not afraid of filth spewing morons.

We will be there because we don't want anyone else to die. We are not fooling ourselves thinking that the soldiers over there want to be there...because we know they don't

We will be there because we know that the Iraqis don't want to be killed by the hundreds of thousands for Bloody George.

We will be there because Bloody George is out of control and spewing more filth.

You rightests will be there because you are freedom hating cowards. You rightests will be there because you want 58,000 names on an Iraqi War Memorial.

You rightests will be there because you want to prove how weak America is by invading small, weak countries and getting its ass kicked.

You will be there because you are bullies like your draft dodging filthy leaders, Dick and George.

We are not afraid of you. We will be peaceful if there is any trouble it will be from you.

Peace & Love
Cindy

Gold Star Families For Peace

VGF — 12:26 AM Feb 13, 2007

Dear Cindy, I stand with you All the way. Your Fight is for All this country is fastly losing..And we have Bush and his ITES to Thank for our Loss. If not for YOU, We the people in this country who are Steadily cheering you on, Would Have a most difficult Fight on our hands Without a Brave and Intelligent Leader at Our Helm ! We all thank you, Cindy.. ( and All of your Dedicated followers...) Please know those fascist Eagle ..bunch of steeltoes... will soon fade into oblivion ! Just as Hitlers` koolaid bunch did . Continue Standing Up for what is Right. You Must Know that your Casey Salutes you in All you do ! We Love you dearly.. God Bless and Keep you surrounded with HIS Protective Shield. The Good Will Win out over this bushite madness...and very soon, too ! The louder those Rightwing neo-con Bunch Squawks..The More We Know They are Frightened for What Is Soon to come for them ! Keep up the Pressure, Cindy. It is Paying off ! Peace & Love..VGF

Filth spewing rightests

Cindy Sheehan — 12:53 AM Feb 13, 2007

Hey Everybody
Thanks for all of the support from you thinking people who love liberty.
The filth spewing rightests who post comments here are desperate because their god, Bloody George, is clearly a piece of filth murderer and their war (that they are way too cowardly to fight) is clearly illegal and immoral, so the only thing they have to rely on is filth and lies.
They can't tell us where Saddam's WMD are, because he had none. They can't tell us where the connection to 9-11 and Saddam is, because therr was none. They want to think that Casey "believed" in the filth in Iraq because they are filthy war mongers and they want to think just because Casey wanted to afford college that he was one too.

There is no place for filthy war supporters on this blog. Go masturbate somewhere else. Go get a permit to spew your filth somewhere else.

It's not your wall...it's our wall.

We will be there because we are not afraid of filth spewing morons.

We will be there because we don't want anyone else to die. We are not fooling ourselves thinking that the soldiers over there want to be there...because we know they don't

We will be there because we know that the Iraqis don't want to be killed by the hundreds of thousands for Bloody George.

We will be there because Bloody George is out of control and spewing more filth.

You rightests will be there because you are freedom hating cowards. You rightests will be there because you want 58,000 names on an Iraqi War Memorial.

You rightests will be there because you want to prove how weak America is by invading small, weak countries and getting its ass kicked.

You will be there because you are bullies like your draft dodging filthy leaders, Dick and George.

We are not afraid of you. We will be peaceful if there is any trouble it will be from you.

Peace & Love
Cindy

Rightest ignorance

BobK — 11:44 AM Feb 13, 2007

I think - no, I KNOW - the trouble is that alot of these bellering loudmouths on the right have absolutly NO knowledge of our country's constitution or process of government. They threw spitballs during civics class or skipped it altogether. I know this because my wife teaches high school civics.
Our "all-volunteer" army just naturally attracts those who have little hope of going onto college. The consequence of this is that their only education to the sense of duty & country is that which they can execute from the end of a gun.
The societal detritus that can't even get into the military get's it's "civics lessons" from tough guy - shootem-up movies and video games. Freedom of speech? Liberty and justice for all? Who the hell cares about that????

We're pissed that someone didn't hand us OUR piece of the pie and it's them damned foreigners and minorities that are the ones to blame! If you don't wanna pursue kickin' their thievin' asses above all else, then yer agin' us Righteous mothers who ARE!

Air Force Al — 04:39 PM Feb 13, 2007

Dear Cindy,

Have no fear,
The REAL vets will be near,
To cover the rear,
March on sister!

Anne — 09:13 PM Feb 13, 2007

I am the mother of a soldier currently serving in Iraq and I applaud Cindy for giving up the life she once had to get people to stand up against George Bush and his war! We must all stand up and demand that that our troops be withdrawn immediately.

I am sure Casey would be very proud to see what Cindy is doing in his name. I pray to God every day that I will not have to endure the pain Cindy is enduring. Cindy has made me realize that it is my responsibility to protest this unjust war for my son and all the soldiers serving in Iraq. I will be marching in Minneapolis on March 18th with my family and every friend I can think of to recruit. I am with you Cindy!

My worst deja vu

Cecile Ravenscroft — 09:26 PM Feb 13, 2007

My son is a United States Marine currently stationed in Japan but painfully close to "going to the desert".

After listening to CSpan's coverage of the non-binding resolution in Congress today, I felt such a tremendous sadness that this country is so terribly divided and so incapable of letting history inform its choices.

I lived through the Vietnam era and ached for every vet who felt betrayed by us. I protested then and was sure we could learn to never spare our young treasure so carelessy again. The corporate greed that is this war is lost on too many. But I am unwilling to give my son to this illegal war and beg all American's to rise up, get smart, learn and understand what has been going on with this administration. Please stop the insanity before one more American is killed. Let your representatives and senators know that this must end and that we will only support the Iraqi's once they stand up for themselves. Let's fight terrorism, but not for corporate profits. And to those Gold Star families -- my God, I hope I never have to be part of your club, you all deserved better from America but you have the love and thanks and prayers and praise of so many common Americans. God Speed, all. Cecile

To the above abusers....

— 11:19 PM Feb 13, 2007

The above comments are from mentally sick people. Even if I had been deceived and miseducated, I would never lower myself to write such garbage on another person's blog. You seem to be having a competition to see who can write the most hurtful, lying, and disgusting remarks, for no other purpose than to hurt the people who allow you the wonderful privilege of writing here. In my opinion, it is not even worth trying to educate you with facts, because you're not interested in learning.You are simply doing this because you are sadistic, and you think you're being "cool" to hurt someone, because it's just "words over a computer screen". May these words you write return to you quickly, and may you reap the results of your hurtful intentions. Collectively, you feel quite amused and secure, writing as you do, but individually, you are frightened persons who need help in recognizing why you are anonymously projecting such rage and cruelty.

Greg H of Illinois

BobK — 12:43 AM Feb 14, 2007

Greg cherry-picks: "Greg H. - Illinois — 10:27 PM Feb 13, 2007
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

Um Cindy, every single member of our armed forces that is serving in Iraq are doing so under full lawful authority of the United States, and under orders of the Commander In Chief that is acting totally within his constitutional authority."

That's all well and good, Greg. The fly in the ointment is that this statement presumes the folks elected something other than a dunce to the highest office.
The Japs committed suicide when confronted with failure. Did they win the war or did we? Even tho they performed as they were expected - it proved to be folly.
Lets say, you take an allegiance to an organization that I'm in charge of. I give you an order to go drink a quart of gasoline for the good of the organization. Think you'll blindly carry out such a stupid order? If the answer's yes, then go get a gallon.

What about that squad that was recently accused of committing murder out of need for revenge? Certainly the lesser soldiers knew it was wrong, but what's their fate if they refuse? What to do - right and suffer derision and threats the rest of your life, or wrong and go to prison for most or all of your life? Personally, I'd choose to refuse and squeal - but that's just me. YOU on the other hand would "carry on" because that's the orders that came from on high.
You and your ilk are mindless pawns in a game you can't even percieve of - and yet you want to hold up what little snippet of the constitution that serves your narrow-minded sense of duty.

Gold Star Families For Peace !

Veda Flick — 01:23 AM Feb 14, 2007

I just never before realized there were so many frightened little worm-heads...so spiteful and full of venom against Cindy Sheehan ! I do know that the closer you all get to seeing your False walls of belief in this Poor excuse for a 'commander-n-Chief' ( Self-appointed ) come tumbling down, the more venomous your Postings on this forum becomes. It Is Proof to All Who Can Think With Some Rationale That You are truly heartsick to be proven so wrong ( and So Publicly.) So Carry on...You will eventually Recover, and perhaps, in the process you might become a Better informed person than what you obviously ARE. In the meantime... Power to YOU, Cindy ! Full Steam Ahead.. You are A True American Patriot. WE "Lefties' ( And a lot more of these Rightwingers Too ) are Proud of what you Stand FOR. May God Bless You..Always.. Hold Your Banners High..Your People are With YOU . VGF

Arrest the Liars

3,000 Died When Clinton Lied — 06:55 AM Feb 14, 2007

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."
-- Bill Clinton in 1998

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."
--Clinton Secretary of State Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983"
-- Clinton National Security Adviser Sandy "Burglar" Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."
-- Robert Byrd, Democrat Senator, former head of the Ku Klux Klan, October 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."
-- Clinton Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people."
-- Tom Daschle, former Democrat Senate Minority Leader, in 1998

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Ted Kennedy, Democrat Senator from Massachusetts, September 27, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production."
-- United Nations (U.N.) Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
-- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
-- Clinton Secretary of State Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-- Democrat Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Clinton Secretary of State Madeline Albright, Nov. 10, 1999

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation."
-- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War."
-- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

"Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now.
-- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

WMD — 07:01 AM Feb 14, 2007

WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.

"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.

The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.

The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.

"Mustard is a blister agent (that) actually produces burning of any area (where) an individual may come in contact with the agent," he said. It also is potentially fatal if it gets into a person's lungs.

Fear

Rick/ Las Vegas — 08:22 AM Feb 14, 2007

Fear is a hysterical emotion.

I have 3 questions for Cindy:

1.) Is it just this war you despise?
2.) If son Casey would have been in another war at another time and it had the same result, would your reaction be the same?
3.) When is it appropriate to defend your country?

Re: WMD’s
The entire world thought they were there. Sadaam even alleged he had them. If a criminal claims to have a gun, you use an appropriate response.

This war will not end by leaving it. Our enemies will just have more power and money to destroy us.

We need courage. Courage to stand up and face the enemy and protect our country, even at the cost of our lives. I do respect Casey for that. He had the courage.

This is not a flame post. Just another opinion, and all opinions are important. Our soldiers are out there fighting to defend our rights to make them.

to rick's honest questions

cindy sheehan — 01:34 PM Feb 14, 2007

1) No the entire world did not. The UN did not and France and Germany did not.
2)That question is not relevant. But I think using war to solve problems is the supreme failure of wisdom and diplomacy and is barbaric.
3) Yes, it is appropriate to defend oneself or a country. Iraq is not about that.

We need courage to leave that country alone. They were no threat to us. If you are afraid of 700,000 innocent men, women and children, then I really feel sorry for you. You need courage to stand up and say: Quit killing babies to keep me safe.

A recent CIA report said that what we are doing in Iraq is increasing Islamic Jihadism...duh! If innocent people are killed, their family and friends are gonna be pissed.

Peace soon
Cindy

NeoCon Idiots

vera — 04:24 PM Feb 14, 2007

Cindy, ignore the low-down snakes in the grass. Everyone knows that when a rat is cornered, it will attack because it knows it's days are numbered. Those people are only showing their ignorance by what they are saying. Only a fool would want others to see how ill-informed they are about how Bush and Cheney lied us into a war that has caused the deaths of almost a million innocent Iraqis and Afghanis..not to mention the deaths of our own dear flesh and blood.
Thank God for you, Cindy. If it weren't for you, there are millions of people that would not have any idea of so much of the duplicity of this Republican Administration, and what they have done and are doing in our name. Thank you, Cindy, for giving so completely of yourself for the land that your own son, Casey, gave his life's blood for. You have our utmost respect and appreciation. VJS

Neo-Cowards

Jason Wright, NY — 07:13 PM Feb 14, 2007

Bush lied to the faces of the American people about WMD's. Where are they? The're in your imaginations. This admin. cooked up and manifactured evidence to send our nation into an unnecessary war.

And if you support it, why are you such pussies, go re-up, enlist, the Army has lowered its standards and gives moral waivers so low-life schmucks like Neo-Cowards can join back up and fight the good fight, unless of course their is another reason, Neo-Cowards. Just like your little bitch up in office.

Not one of you cowards mention Darfur, but why would you when you support the genocide in Iraq. You are aiding the "insurgents" with your support because they are using our occupation, morons, as a war cry for recruitment, but you're too ignorant ass stupid to realize this, Neo-Cowards. The Bushit admin. allowed 9/11 to happen. They set it up. This admin. purposely killed 3,000 of our own people by knocking down the Twin Towers so they could have an excuse to invade a non-threatening nation. You Neo-Cowards ever heard of Reichstag? Of course you haven't cause you're butt-phuck ignorant.

Thanks for exploiting and supporting the slaughter of our young men and women, our youth, America's future. Appreciate it. Neo-Cowards. Keep hiding. When they signed they didn't expect the people in Washington, the REAL Traitors, to hijack our nation and decieve them into a Bushit war. I forget which branch of service Cheney served in.

Oh, the Neo-Cowards branch, just like you. The five deferrment branch. Yeah, he knows a lot abut the art of war, him and his no-bid Haliburton. Didn't your bitch go AWOL deserting his nation? And that's the bitch that you follow? Clinton didn't send our country into war, and he proved, at least, that he's a real man. Bush has Rove for that role. I'm sure the role you crave. Your bitch just bowed down to North Korea today. Aren't they some sort of threat? Read the latest, Neo-Cowards? And what about your Hero, Osama Bin Laden? How come none of you Neo-Cowards mention him? Just like bitch has forgotten about him. Perhaps he had nothing to do with 9/11 after-all. Go enlist in you are so phucking tough and support this WAR against Terrorism. What are you waiting on? Or is it that you are Neo-Cowards hiding, afraid to stand up for your pseudo beliefs.

You are nothing more than Traitors who deserve to be kicked out of America. I recommend a book for you Neo-Cowards and your little political whore up in the White House to read, the biography of Benito Mussolini. Neo-Coward Traitors.

And for all you Vietnam Vets that support this conflict. You didn't learn a goddamn thing. The threat of Communism and the Domino effect, well it never happened. That was all propaganda. The North Vietnamese took over the South only 2 years after we foolishly lost 58,000 brave men and women and got out. They STILL TOOK IT. After we left did the Commies ever invade us? Did those "Dominos" ever fall? DID THEY? Learn something new every day, don't you. We put the scar of Vietnam behind us until we were reminded of another one, right now.
Neo-Cowards, go re-enlist and shut the phuck up. Unless, of course, you are all Neo-Cowards. Thought so. Just like the c@#t in D.C. People tell me that my flag that's waving outside is upside down. I tell them it's not my flag that's upside down, but my country.

Bloody George

Stan Current — 07:38 PM Feb 14, 2007

Thank you Cindy, for speaking out against Bloody George. He will continue to cause more harm unless more of us join with you and speak out against him for the sake of peace. Any escalation in Iraq is a direct threat to Iran and other Muslim countries, which will only lead to more war, which is what Bloody George wants. We need to leave Iraq, like Viet Nam, and shore up our defenses here at home against terrorism.

Hope to be in DC St. Patrick's Day with you and everyone to petition for peace and get us out of Iraq.

Stan
Denver, Colorado

PS The White Rose blossoms. St. Sophie Scholl and all the others of the White Rose smile on you for speaking out against the Neo Cons and Neo Nazis who claim to be American, yet would deny you your constitutional right to petition Bloody George. God smiles on you, too.

Drones

BobK — 10:44 PM Feb 14, 2007

I've had C-span on most of the afternoon. I've listened as one after another, the reps have offered up their feelings about the looming resolution. From the left, you get all sorts of considerations as to how this agregious war has been a mistake from the get-go. Some lament the BILLIONS we pour onto the thirsty sands, where they're just soaked up and leave said sands looking JUST as they did before the BILLIONS were poured onto them! IMAGINE! .... just imagine what those BILLIONS could have done if applied to our OWN country!!!
And yet the tinkertoy automatons of the right just crank out the same, mind-numbing rhetoric about letting the "troops" down and not "winning". I'll bet they spend all of 10 minutes adding their own embellishments to the chapter and verse outta the Blight House.
I always thought I'd have to have a college education and some prestigious set of letters after my name to be a representative in congress. Hah! After watching these righties work their jackboots in lockstep - not ONE with a mind of their own - I now have a better idea of how Lincoln, fresh from a log cabin existence, could command such wisdom and respect. We don't need educated marionettes in congress, we need seat of the pants types that have enough common sense to know that shovelling cash down a bottomless well is stupid! Hell, I'M capable of showing that kind of common sense!

I submit that these pseudo-patriots label themselves "lemmings" instead of eagles. Eagles have enough sense to not promote their own demise! Lemmings dutifully follow the leader over the cliff.

Don't bother or confuse the left with facts

Dennis Unser — 07:20 AM Feb 15, 2007

Maybe cindy should look into the FACTS then she might realize that she HAS been wrong all this time. Typically of the left they have no use for facts and don't make an attempt to look into the reason we are in iraq. all she and the left do is cite to liberal talking points... - "bush lied people died", exactly what did he lie about? the whole of congress had the same facts and they all voted for the war. the u.n. voted for the war. twenty some countries supported us in the effort. who lied?. "no blood for oil", if oil was all we cared about we would have made a beeline for the oil fields, took them over and that would be it. "nobody died when clinton lied", clinton broke federal laws and a lot of preople mysteriously died under clinton.. . plus a lot of people died around the world because of his actions (somolia, kosovo, uss cole, WTC I, embassy bombings...

Nam Wall

John Pardee, Spokane, Wa — 08:27 AM Feb 15, 2007

I am a Viet Nam Vet and feel I have earned the right to say this, you have my permission to stand near the Wall anytime you want! Bring some friends.

MY SON HAS A HEAD STONE

cindy sheehan — 08:44 AM Feb 15, 2007

GET OFF OF IT.
HAVE SOMETHING ORIGINAL, AND TRUE TO SAY.

NONE OF YOU KNEW CASEY, SO YOU DON'T HAVE PERMISSION TO SAY HIS NAME.

WE TAKE THE NAMES OF OFF SOLDIER'S CROSSES AT CAMP CASEY WHEN THE FAMILIES ASK US TO.

I AM TELLING YOU TO NOT USE MY SON'S NAME AND LOVING CHARACTER IN VAIN...DO NOT USE CASEY'S NAME TO SPEW MORE VIOLENCE AND HATRED. DO NOT LIE AND SAY THAT CASEY WAS IN IRAQ MORE THAN ONE TIME FOR ONLY 5 DAYS==HE WASN'T.

AND JUST BECAUSE HE DID HIS DUTY AND DIED FOR IT, DON'T MAKE HIM SEEM LIKE A HORRIBLE WAR MONGER LIKE YOU ALL ARE.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS CASEY WENT AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO OR BELIEVE IN THE WAR.

YOU ALL BELIEVE IN THE WAR, SO YOU GO OVER THERE.

OR ARE YOU COWARDS LIKE DICK AND GEORGE?

THOUGHT SO

Coveted Cowards

BobK — 11:05 AM Feb 15, 2007

Cindy, isn't it pathetic that these filth-spewing Rightards have to revert to defamation and lots of referrances to fecal matter to try and act tough. Of course, they belong to the party who's leaders are line-of-fire evaders who are good at talking tough so long as they and their kin aren't in harms way! Of course WHY SHOULD they endanger their own kind when they have lot's of mongoloidain monsters to pawn themselves in acts of self-assigned glory on their behalf???
And who's on the horizon to be the next "leader" of their band? There's the demented, flip-flopper extrodinaire, McCain - with his "crud-entials" of surviving the Hanoi Hilton. He's currently going around hiring every cut-throat campaign engineer he can find. Probably so he can "swift-boat" every other vet that might challenge him. Heh - and if Chimpy isn't bad enough, McVain wants to send even BIGGER surges to teach the "terrorists" a lesson.
There's also Rudy the ruffian - recipient of a draft deferrment so he could serve as a law clerk!(What a HERO!) By that yardstick, Rudy's the perfect replacement for Cheney. He and McVain would make a perfect replacement duo in the Blight House. We'd have an ex-fighter jock for President (arguably he really set out most of the war in a cell instead of fighting it - in that respect, Chimpy WAS smarter. Chimpy chose to sit in some office in Alabama until the shooting stopped!) AND we'd have a draft-dodger VP with an attitude. The transition would be smooth as silk and we could continue to KICK ASS around the globe while our own country continues to whither away around us.

why do you think military people are heroes?

jc — 04:13 PM Feb 15, 2007

they follow orders and get killed (and kill) and they are heroes but a mom who misses her son is called every foul name in the book. Cindy is trying to stop a war that is killing OUR children - not just her child. Is it OK with you Bush lovers that our kids are being killed and are being ordered to kill? We in America have to stop seeing military violence as somehow romantic (and patriotic) and some kind of answer to the world's problems. Unfortunately the 50,000-plus victims (not heroes) of the Vietnam War had their youth taken from them and died for nothing. How can I say that? Did we learn anything from Vietnam? It doesn't look like it. You can call (and we all can call) the Johnson family "heroes" but they are still missing a son - and it is the fault of all of us. We made a horrible mistake - sending our kids to Iraq..we need to bring them home - now. And impeach our President.

women haters

Robin — 04:21 PM Feb 15, 2007

They are foul women hating people. I feel sorry for them.
They are scared little unreasoning men.

poor little man

Robin — 04:24 PM Feb 15, 2007

The hatred of women is very obvious in these writings. They can't debate the issue so they have to make gender slurs. Attacking women just shows their true character. Misogynic, fearful, impudent.

The strength of women has long been feared by weak men. However, true men of strength embrace strong women, for they can change the world. ...Lysistrata...

Women can be mothers. Women can love down to hell and back. Women can breathe fire into the hearts of the previously uninspired.

1 Corinthians 13 1

Robin — 04:26 PM Feb 15, 2007

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal

"Gathering of Eagles"??

Dorothy — 04:34 PM Feb 15, 2007

A much more suitable label would be: "A GATHERING OF VULTURES", or "A LIVING EXAMPLE OF THE BEHAVIOR OF TRAITORS".

Krumhorn -- vitriol

Robin — 05:20 PM Feb 15, 2007

Barking? Moonbats? Pukes? You are so full of hate. It goes deeper than Cindy and people who want peace. Sorry I use the word MISOGYNIST to describe your name calling. Do you think it is innaccurate?

Christ was for peace. Christ said, blessed are the peacemakers. You know... sermon on the mount? Christ loved women. If you look in the Bible, very many of the stories and lessons surround women. The only people who had the guts to stick by Christ on Calvary were women.

There are just two emotions... Fear and Love.
Fear is what brings out your hatred. Love cast away all fear.

Too bad you are so fearful, you sound like a dedicated man. People aren't horrible just because they want peace and disagree with what President Bush is doing. They are just different than you.

It's fine that you beleive in this war. But that doesn't mean everyone will. That doesn't make them demons and you a god.

When you call women names, you are taking the name of your mother in vain. You know the word CRONE was a sacred name. The Crone represents the final cycle of life. It was the Virgin, Mother, and Crone. Birth, Life, and Death. Women give us all life, even you, even Christ. I would watch what I was saying about women someone you love might be listening.

I am a True American. I vote every election. I have lived here all my life. I am not a FALSE American. Because I believe in peace I am a Christian too.

Maybe you could try re-reading your own words you've written in this blog over, but replace your name where you wrote Cindy's name. Maybe you could try to feel what that vitriol inspires.

Peace to you Krumhorn. Christ teaches us to LOVE our enemies. It doesn't mean we have to LIKE them. But if you were in need, I would try to help you. I pray you would think of doing the same for me, or Cindy, or anyone that is in this crazy world.

Give Casey credit for being a man, not some child.

BobF — 07:08 PM Feb 15, 2007

Ma'am

It's really getting tiring of listening to how you refer to your son, Casey, as some stupid ignorant child who was lied to by his recruiter. You can make that claim during your son's first enlistment but not during his second enlistment. You never mention how he reenlisted after the start of hostilities in Iraq. When a man or woman reenlists in the military, they know what is going on and what to expect. Unless he was some simple minded buffoon, he reenlisted with his eyes wide open and with the knowledge of what to expect in the Army. He probably knew more about the Army than his recruiter did. Every man and woman in uniform since the early 1990's knows they may be deployed into hostile territories. Why not give your son, a grown man, some credit for the decisions he choose to make.

What I really admire about your son is how he grew up in a presumably military hating leftest household but chose to serve his country in the military. I can only imagine your reaction when he first enlisted and then choose to reenlist, hoping to make the Army a career. After all, he loved the Army, saying "it was just like the Boy Scouts, but they got guns." By reading the facts surrounding your son, it's plainly evident that his beliefs were diametrically opposed to yours. But, don't fret about it as your not the first and won't be the last mother who thought she really knew her son but didn't.

Anne — 08:42 PM Feb 15, 2007

My Son also re-enlisted in the Army--his choices were to be stop lossed and sent to Iraq before his first enlistment was up or get a $3000 signing bonus. My son thought he was going to Iraq one way or another, so why not take the money. I call it blacknmail! Recruiters prey on young people who don't quite know what they want to do and promise them that they will be able to attend college while they are in the service and see the world.
My son was raised in a house where his mother is a lefty, but by no means do I hate the military. I am proud of them all, but this is an unjust war and the majority of Americans are finally realizing it. I do not want my son's life wasted on George Bush's war. I try not to hate anyone, but George Bush is getting close.

Crumbhorn - aptly named

BobK — 10:35 PM Feb 15, 2007

Krumnuts. Cowards? If I were as loathsome as you, I'd beat you to a pulp. Your mistake is confusing patriotisim with killing.
I volunteered to go to Nam - twice. Young and pliable enough to believe I was on some sort of grand mission to ward off the evil commies. Turned out the real enemy was US! Just WHEN did the commie hordes storm our beaches after we "cut and run"???
I don't fear YOU or your kind. I don't fear your words, I don't fear your rage, I don't fear the titles you want to place on those, like myself, who seek to disengage OUR country from the madness of King George.
Have you ever read the US constitution? I mean, really read it? You might have mouthed the words but you keep demonstrating here that you don't understand even the simplest points laid out in that document.
I submit that for you to read something you have a "grip" on, you need to find a copy of Mein Kampf. That writing closely paralells your ideals for how patriots should conduct themselves.
BTW, time to shave your head again. ;-)

Gold Star Families For Peace

Veda Flick — 12:00 AM Feb 16, 2007

Krum-bum, You are nothing but a 'bully full of venom and hate' that is spewing out of every orifice of your smelly body, and that must keep you awake at night... wondering if, should you fall asleep...You will ever wake up again. Actually, The world would smell better if you were not In it. Have you ever considered Volunteering for a tour in Iraq, and be sure to ask to be sent to Baghdad..bush has a need for more cannon fodder there. Perhaps your presence there would free up one of those poor souls who got hi-jacked into that 'Battle of No Nobel Cause'..( one he most assuredly did not Volunteer for, nor did he request out of any misguided sense of patriotism. You must surely know your presence here will be pleasantly missed...and greatly appreciated ! So. Please Go. Do your Duty. Good Bye. VGF

Fox News Propoganda

Robin — 10:54 AM Feb 16, 2007

Fair and Balanced. The words these guys use echo words used by the talking heads on Fox News. The are being used. I feel sorry for them.

To infer that just because a person hasn't fought in a war makes them unable or unworthy to be an American or criticize the President and his policies.

I have lived here all my life. I have paid taxes all my life. Income, property, etc... This is my government. I have a voice. At least I used to. The CIC is my employee. If I don't like what he is doing I can speak about it. I am not hurting anyone. If your side is so righteous, you wouldn't be afraid of what people say. You would just say... well, too bad they're beating their heads against the wall again...

Krumhorn, why do you feel you have to call everyone names? Also... you like TRIM women? Wha? How do you know I'm not trim, how do you know I am a woman? How do you know anything you so surely claim you know.

My moral stands with Jesus Christ. His truth will ring over the din of your pestilent rant.

His truth is marching on.

So find a place in your heart for true debate. Stop tossing off stupid predictable cuts borrowed from Bill O'Reilly and his ilk.

One woman, one son, are not what this is all about and you know it. Address the real problem and stop making personal attacks on Cindy Sheehan and judging her on what she feels in her heart is the right thing to do. Her motivation for being so outspoken about this war is not the death of Casey per se, I'll venture to guess, but that she was against it from the beginning, and feared the worst for her son, and when it came about felt a strong compulsion to not sit by and let one more soldier or civilian die if she could help it. This is morality. This is a human being. Just like you. So don't judge so harshly.

He among you who is without sin, cast the first stone.

The Commander in Chief has a duty to the soldiers, not to take them into harms way unless absolutely necessary. And it was never proven to be the case that this war was necessary...

I am not a hollywood folk, far from it... midwest to the core... and I'm not afraid of being killed by a terrorist. Unfortunately you are. More men and women are now dead through this military action than died in the WTC attack on Sept. 11.

Who are the terrorists? The ones who spread fear about the terrorists here through the media like Fox News, to keep people afraid so that their brand of governance can stay in power? So they can have unlimited access to the wealth and power that that status affords?

What DO they call it........

BobK — 12:36 PM Feb 16, 2007

...... when you're a REAL, rip-snortin' tough guy at the keyboard and a shy , apologetic introvert in person? I've actually MET a few like Krumhorn through another blog and the difference in personality was absolutely NIGHT and DAY!
From the keyboard, these (in both cases, guys)miscreants came across like snarling Rotwiellers or Dobermans, but IN PERSON.... they were stuttering, fopish wall-flowers who had to be ASKED to say something or even exchange greetings.
No, it's WAY to assumptive to expect "patriot" Krumhorn to put himself in harms way on ANYONE'S account! The only time he lets any bullets fly or sticks his head out of the trench is via a keyboard and a monitor where he CAN'T be seen for what he really is.
Yeah - there's a title for his condition. Any shrink could tell me, I'm sure.
Now that I think about it, a certain shrinking may well be the inspiraton for his venomous slander. When you're embarrassingly endowed, you try your best to compensate by puffing your chest out and pretending to be a lion instead of the straw-filled scarecrow that's the sad reality of your pitiful and hopeless existence.
I guess it's easy for you to idolize the CIC. As stupid as this AWOLee is, his is a visible (if futile) attempt at overcoming his intellectual shortfall - while your attempts are while poised at a keyboard at (heh!) some "undisclosed location". Totally anonymous and without a cadre of like-minded parrots to repeat your pointless blather.
I encourage you to keep reminding the likes of Cindy, myself and others why we will strive to knock the legs out from under this pResident. Keep showing us that we musn't let the loony-bin factor of hatred and judgement without justice totally escape the confines of the sanitorum. Your meanness, your tunnel-visioned notion of pride of country, are proof that our own "Krystal Nacht" waits to erupt, just below the veil of civility that is kept bound by the Constitution.
Yes - keep spewing venom Mr.Krumhorn. Trust that pResident Dillwhack is grinding up fellow citizens on the pretense of keeping your right to spew intact. It's been 62 years since that kind of meat grinding was truly justified, but it never hurts to start a little war now and then just to test our munitions and our will to kill with them. Your verbal wretching is like a winning score that proves we're still the world's mightiest butchers. You're a "winner" is something other than the literal interpretation of that word.

Test

— 05:02 PM Feb 17, 2007

test

Rightest American Haters

Judy Walsh — 08:21 PM Feb 17, 2007

I received a threat from a neo con on a forum I belong to that I could be arrested for calling chimpy (Bush in case you are the five in this world who don't know who I mean) a liar, a murderer, and a traitor.

She suggested that she was going to tell on me. Ironic isn't it that the neo cons can be so childish, but that makes them dangerous too.

I will be standing with the Eagles

Another Cindy — 07:52 PM Feb 18, 2007

Love Letter to a Liberal

As a new member of the “ right” I feel compelled to convey to you, my dear liberal, the journey that has brought me to this place. There is a bitter animosity among many liberals today toward those that would believe as I do. As many conservatives will tell you, there is no point in hating liberals. They are as much a part of us as they are a part of the American fabric. It was once said that most conservatives start out as liberals in their youth. So how do we get to the other side of such opposing views?

For this writer, it took many years of seeing the world outside my parent’s protection to arrive at my current beliefs. In my younger years as an American, I believed in the total goodness of mankind. I knew nothing of hate, racism, wars or politics. I was taught at home and in my schools to love everyone regardless of nationality, gender or religion. Those days where full of hope and possibility. I was once certain in my heart that the world we live in is full of people that only want to live and let live. My thoughts were that those who did not take my views need only to be given a touch of that all-powerful love and they would see how things could really be. It was devastating to find out that there where those that truly hated beyond any reasoning and that no amount of kindness or love would dilute their way of thinking.

As if it wasn’t enough to learn of real hate and wars, I learned that there are political leaders that use those wars to bring themselves to power. I became keen to maneuver through this political trickery. I learned that the worst politicians where those that preyed on the innocents. They tell opponents of hate what they want to hear, that war is very seldom necessary and blame it on the greed of their political opponent. They defy the facts of struggle after struggle, war after war throughout our human history in order to find favor in the liberal American heart. I learned about those amoral, power hungry brokers that seek to widen the divisions in our country, using well chosen words that “sound” eloquent and intelligent to pit race against race, gender against gender, rich against poor to increase their own support in their quest for power. My eyes where opened and I knew there must be others that thought as I did. I joined the just cause to bring back those things that I valued most, the ideas of my youth, that where taken from me by the real nature of this world. There was still hope.

Then, on September 11th, just when I thought I had seen every species of hate that the world had to offer; I learned of the Islamic extremists. Without any room for doubt, they made their goals be known. Their calling in life was to promote their higher power by erasing us from the face of the earth because we are what they call the “infidels”, the ones that dare to tell them that we do not agree with their spiritual beliefs. They teach their children in their so-called schools that we are less than dogs, sub human. Without remorse, they attack the innocents. They applaud the effort to deliberately murder women and children in the most gruesome way possible to further their cause of fear and intolerance.



I long for the liberal days of my youth when everything was brightness and light, before I learned about the hate, before that one bright morning when the reality of the madness of the world came crashing in.

Liberal, I support you in your journey to find the sad truth. The reality is that the world is not what any of us want it to be. Unless those that would kill the liberal-at-heart are removed from power, the world will not ever be what we all want it to be. I am one of those people who will forever dream of peace on earth, but dare to see things for what they are today. For you that have not found it acceptable to face these unbearable truths, there will always be those of us on the right who are willing to protect you from the hate and madness of these killers, even if you despise us for doing so. For those who can see that the dreams of our youth are still so very far away and that more work needs to be done to bring back the hope, won’t you please join us in this fight for our freedom?

Excellent post above

Krumhorn — 08:23 PM Feb 18, 2007

"We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States." -- Ann Coulter

Re: Ann Coulter

Another Cindy — 08:37 PM Feb 18, 2007

Thanks but no thanks.

to: another cindy and krumhorn on patriotism

Rita — 10:51 AM Feb 19, 2007

I don't know why I bother answering you guys. It's a circle argument that has no end... it spirals down into the drain.

But...
I just want to say... Another Cindy... you are so arrogant. What a bunch of condescending crap.

I'm not as naive as you think, and you are not as enlightened as you think.

Yes, Saudi Arabians attacked America that day.

Watch Bush reading the story. And think about what you would've done if you were CIC at the time of the attacks.
Be honest.

Wouldn't you have risked the bewilderment of a few kindergarteners to snap to the ready for your country under such an extreme circumstance? Would you have just sat there? It doesn't make any sense. Think about it Patriot? What would you have done had you been the President?

It smells.

Ann Coulter doesn't even deserve a remark.

But it's just a bunch of nonsense.

If you ask me so-called liberals are at fault only because they continue to give this administration the benefit of the doubt. They don't analyze the information and then draw a rational conclusion. They can't believe that the government of the US could be as corrupt as it really is. They want to believe so badly in the ideal of democracy that they forget about Capitalism. They forget that money changes everything.

Now if you look at the war and the politics of the administration and many on the left and right, all the things that don't make sense under a reasonable assumption that the government is a functioning democracy become glaringly clear when you overlay Capitalism or Corporatism over the top.

Do you think Bush wants the war in Iraq to succeed? How naive.
Do you think Bush doesn't want chaos in the Middle East?

Which do you think he profits from more? Peace or War.

Think about your typical thug. If he wants to reap the biggest rewards what does he have to create?

Chaos. He has to create a distraction for some, and utter fear in others.

All this other Fox News rhetoric is just blowing smoke up your rear ends.

Learn to think for yourselves. Get the whole story. Think outside the box. Become a true patriot. Do not remain a true idiot.

udder.

Rita — 10:54 AM Feb 19, 2007

Sorry--from Wisconsin... utter and udder have become synonyms.

hee, hee.

Rita

Another Cindy — 02:08 PM Feb 19, 2007

Extremists attacked us that day. Not all Muslims even in Saudi Arabia are extremists.

I talk to people, read the news and watch the videos from many sources from all over the world everyday.

All of the world leaders are fighting for economic and political power at our expense.

Sadly, not one of them is innocent.

Loopy lib no cottage cheese

Rita — 04:58 PM Feb 19, 2007

If innocents are their targets then you have nothing to worry about Krumhorn.

And 50 years from now our children will still be paying for this war and for the major debt he has dumped us into.

Evil. Is it pure evil? Dr. Eeeevil?

I think evil is ignoring the poor and infirm and social injustices of all sorts to create more poor and infirm and social injustice through a war. Just look at it through the lens of social justice once... And then there is health care and education... all that is going down the tubes because there isn't any money to fund it anymore... it is all in the war. Why does that seem --good-- to you-- why is that not the essence of --evil--?

also. what do you think happens when you have a bunch of poor, sick, ignorant people on your hands? They get angry... and if you play it right, they won't get angry at you --the one who caused it-- you can turn them all against each other... then they will be too busy fighting each other to even reason that you might be the one to blame...

Why do you call names K? I'm not calling you names. I just think your argument has no ground. I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect the CIC to jump up from his chair and get a breifing on the matter. That was the hub of our finances. That is a major target. One that had been hit before. Come on, you really think it unresonable to think he should have engaged somehow?

I'm sorry, if you really feel that way then I don't think you are being totally honest. I'm just being honest.

by the way, what's so new about YOUR ideas? Your ideas--or at least the names you call women-- seem to be fed to you by Bill O'Reilly. Nothing new about him... it's the same old garbage everyday. sanctimonious droning.

yes, another cindy... maybe they were extremests?
who isn't an extremest that is willing to give their life for a cause?
That's pretty extreme if you ask me.
Are you an extremest too?

Spoiled, overweight, conservative, who havent' had a new idea in forever... see how that works... I'm rubber, you're glue...whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you...nah, nah...
dumb. Really.

Krumhorn...Why did he sit there? you didn't answer my question. And you didn't say what you would have done if you were in that position.
I'd like to hear your rationale about that whole delay.

BTW AnotherC... I've gotten more liberal as I've gotten older... I was more conservative... gee, maybe it happens the other way too...
Did that ever occur to you?

All I can say is that if I had a son I would not let him go to Iraq. It is not a war. It is not in the interest of the people of America. It isn't even a war against terror. It is a farce. Created by Bush... I don't know why... you tell me, if it makes so much sense to you...
Let's see... fight them over there...
or... secure America...
or... war on terror... that's where the terrorists are... but not really...
or... Sadam was bad... we gave him weapons.... Cheney was his buddy...
or...all those rag-heads are ter-ists... -nuf said?

We need to Impeach Bush/Cheney

Art Flores — 07:10 PM Feb 19, 2007

Cindy I am with you 100 percent!!! I was against this war from the start. I was listening to everyone and the facts just wasn't there. 9/11 was a very tragic day for Our Country, but the people that attacked us were not from Iraq or had ANYTHING to do with Iraq or Saddam Hussein. Bush and his Administration lied to all of us, they were given information THEY wanted and scared with information they Knew was false. I am a former US Marine and Nephew of mine just returned from Ramadi Iraq, he says they don't want us there. He was always being shot at and his camp was always being hit by mortor rounds. Stop watching Fox news, I call them Fake News, they use religion, lies,hate and false patriotism to get their message out. Why did this administration sign a bill showing that we can't see flag drapped coffins for Our Fallen Heros. Why did they stop on that same bill the right to show battles be fought, like the kind we watched from Vietnam to North korea? Why was it that we attacked a country that was never a threat to us. Did we forget that we had the no fly zones and a naval battle group in the Persian Gulf. My brother was on one of those Navy ships that was apart of the blockade. We had the S.T.A.R.S aircraft that can see beyond borders and satelites that can read headlines from Space. Anybody read the Downing Street Memos? Did anyone paying attention to the Libby trail? Fox and right wing hate radio want you to thing of religion, false patriotism, hate etc, for you to get ticked off. This causes you not to read up on their alligations, they want you to blind follow them like sheep and boy did it work. They made a War Hero fake in the 2004 elections and made a deserter a war hero in bush. Read America and look for the truth and protest like Cindy who is trying to save Our Great Country from the Murderers who a running this country.

Your priorities are screwy

Krumhorn — 07:14 PM Feb 19, 2007

Most of what you say is just looselugnut lib liturgy. Do you even bother to stop to think about the nonsense your write?

The first priority of the federal government must be at all times our security and safety. Not the litany of "social justice" issues you think important....which is just dopey 'progressive' lib nonsense in any event.

The stakes over in Iraq and the Middle East at large are far more important to us. It is a fight that we must win. All you need to do is listen to the words of the Islamic terrorists to know the danger. History teaches us that it is a deadly mistake to ignore the words of "evil and ambitious" men.

If you are unwilling to see your son or daughter fight in such a fight, then there is NO fight that is worth fighting. It's almost impossible to imagine a more serious threat. These folks are serious, and you are not worth taking serious if you don't see it.

But I don't have to take you seriously because I believe that you are really motivated by political considerations. You loopy libs don't really care who gets hurt as a result of your calumny.....so long as the libs get power over government.

It's a cynical calculation. You think you can fix any damage later. The libs know perfectly well that conservatives will back any future military action that is needed tomorrow to fix a problem you cause today.

In the meantime, the deficit has been cut in half, and now it appears that in 5 years, the deficit will be eliminated...even including the cost of the war.

........

screwy priorities to you too...

Rita — 01:23 AM Feb 20, 2007

The deficit has been cut in half... yippee! you have no clue.

Politics? We live in a system that is steeped in politics. I'm not the one saying --my guy-- is the be all end all...
I don't see him doing anything but making things worse...

I feel that the first priority of the feds is to provide an infrastructure that we as a population can use to better the way of life... standard of living... roads, airports, health care, education... things that on their own are too expensive for the individual but when given collectively help the standard of living through more freedom and prosperity. I feel the way Bush has it set up, only a few benefit from his work.

Here below is the fundamental difference between libs and cons... at least in my opinion...

-one wants to solve things by force and war...
-the other wants to solve things with social justice....

--premise one being if you are strong enough people will cower under your might and do what you say...

--premise two being if you make people happy and leave them a lone and let them live their lives and don't kill their children they will not want to kill you...

its a fundamental philosophic difference.

How long has the Israel/Palestinian problem been going on?
This is your war on terror... only ten fold.
perpetual war is what Bush wants. It's what the neo cons want. they want the profits they can make from the conflicts.

Bush didn't send his daughters... if it's so important why aren't they or at least one of them fighting in this wonderful and just war?

I'm glad you are so sure of Bush. I'm sure it seems safe and secure to you, but it seems very, very, dangerous to me.

not to mention

Rita — 02:01 AM Feb 20, 2007

the banking system, clean water, clean air... you know, sharing... stuff we all need --- and most often all people can agree that we need those things to thrive and prosper.

you still haven't given me the reasons why Bush sat there on 911...
you said you had 10 good reasons... give me five.

and...

Rita — 11:55 AM Feb 20, 2007

The park systems, railroads, public airwaves, social security, medicare, medicaid, sewer systems, and yes... the military but not so disproportionally.

Fed priorities?

Krumhorn — 12:09 PM Feb 20, 2007

You need to brush up on your knowledge of the Constitution. The federal government has marginal responsibilities for the items you enumerate under our system. To the extent that interstate commerce is affected, the roads are important. Why education or health?

We spend enormous amounts of money on our education system. In many states, we spend close to $20,000 per child per year. And with no palpable results. The reason being that the money gets frittered away on ridiculously high teacher salaries rather than spent on the kids.

We have to eliminate teacher tenure and put in place solid systems for measurement of teacher performance. But since the libs are in the thrall of the teachers' unions, that is very unlikely to happen. Meanwhile, the kids suffer.

Albert Shanker, the longtime head of the American Federation of Teachers once famously said, "When school children start paying union dues, that 's when I'll start representing the interests of school children".

And healthcare? Who says that healthcare is a right? It's just another expense that we all have like clothes, rent, taxes, cigarettes and pork rinds.

You libs can imagine a perfect world where sweet people sit around campfires and sing warm fuzzy songs, but that's not the REAL world. There are people who want to hurt us because of our success. The great Thomas Sowell put it best:

"It is not what we have done wrong, either at home or abroad that creates such anti-American hostility. It is what we have done right -- things that have made the United States pre-eminent among nations that have provoked resentments and bitterness among those who have fallen so humiliatingly short of producing anything comparable."

Your premise two is just proof that you are not supposed to actually drink the bong water.

1. Didn't want to alarm young impressionable children.

2. Wanted to collect his thoughts

3. There was nothing he could do at that moment that couldn't be done 15 minutes later.

4. He was bound to have a greater impact on that room full of kids reading them a book than any other thing he could have done as an alternative. The President was at a long-planned event at the Emma Booker elementary school to promote his education legislation (one of those loopy priorities of yours)


5. The President has an administration. He doesn't have to push all the buttons for things to happen.

6. The President Bush was dying to know how My Pet Goat ends.


.......

Ignorance is bliss

olfart100 — 03:16 PM Feb 20, 2007

I see once again that in you manic hatred for the President of the United States you have chosen to ignore the FACT that YOUR elected representatives, (the same ones that will be doing everything they can to avoid being linked to your protest), VOTED to give the President the power to conduct this war.

3,000 Died When Clinton Lied — 06:55 AM Feb 14, 2007
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."
-- Bill Clinton in 1998

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."
--Clinton Secretary of State Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983"
-- Clinton National Security Adviser Sandy "Burglar" Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."
-- Robert Byrd, Democrat Senator, former head of the Ku Klux Klan, October 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."
-- Clinton Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people."
-- Tom Daschle, former Democrat Senate Minority Leader, in 1998

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Ted Kennedy, Democrat Senator from Massachusetts, September 27, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production."
-- United Nations (U.N.) Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
-- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
-- Clinton Secretary of State Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-- Democrat Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Clinton Secretary of State Madeline Albright, Nov. 10, 1999

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation."
-- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America?s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War."
-- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

"Saddam?s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now.
-- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
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"Bush Haters"

Old Fart — 04:02 PM Feb 20, 2007

RE: THE LEFT
“Destroying a president is not much of a strategy to win a war, but it’s all the Democrats have. The churls of the left don’t seem to care whether their country wins the war, the important thing is to ‘keep hate alive.’ If hate worked in ‘06, maybe it will work again in ‘08, when the stakes will be considerably higher. Sometimes it’s not only hate, but a bit of schadenfreude, too, taking pleasure in the woes of the enemy. ‘Partisan pleasure in George Bush’s pain dates to the anguish of the contested 2000 election loss,’ observes Daniel Henninger in the Wall Street Journal. ‘The Democrats have run against something called ‘Bush’ for so long this sentiment is now bound up in any act or policy remotely attached to the president. Iraq’s troubles, or Iran or North Korea, are merely an artifact of crushing this one guy.’ The president’s tormentors in Congress, some old and some new, insist they don’t have anything against the fine young Americans with their lives on the line in Iraq, but the troops are dispensable to the larger partisan goal of destroying George W. and abdicating the responsibility that comes with being the world’s only superpower. If the troops are hurt, too, well, that’s just a risk the critics will have to endure.” —Wesley Pruden

Krumhorn

Rita — 04:07 PM Feb 20, 2007

Hee, hee, hee, now there some sense of humor showing through!
I think it really WAS that fifth reason.
...

Federal money helps our state gov't and that's what I'm talking about. To have an EDUCATED ELECTORATE is a good thing... Health and welfare of the population are a good thing... even looking at it from a person who is a Libritarian... they fail to calculate all the benefits they receive from the collective welfare of the states and our federal gov't. CDC... Vaccines... the sharing of research at universities... open source codes... stuff not easily measured.

Intrinsic in education is the fact that we don't have warring factions running around killing each other... you want sectarian violence... that is what happens when people no longer have a collective underlying point of view. Or when they have run out of hope.. CIP... gangs.. in poverty... you think they start out hopeless and angry?
foundations... fundamental...
moral underpinning... most religions have these same basic tennants, and besides, it's just not productive to be killing each other... it is fun for a while... but then the warlord is taken over by another tribe... People generally don't want each other running around killing eachother...

anyway...
teacher performance can't be measured by a test. It is a thing that evolves... And is personal. Motivation to learn and the capability to think creatively and independently is not easily measured in a test.

----I thought this quote person already put his two cents worth in up above somewhere----

I don't think I can beat this dead horse any longer...

I'm planning a camping trip and I have to learn a few more chords for this song I'm learning. I also have to run to the store for some marshmallows and chocolate. I don't want the cottage cheese to fade away. You don't have the chords to Kumbaya do you?

what Christ thought about helping the poor

Robin — 04:14 PM Feb 20, 2007

Christ said; Whatever you did not do to the least of these, you did not do for me.

Iraq a "Failure"?

Old Fart — 06:39 PM Feb 21, 2007

Do you know?

(I didn't know! How could we?)

Did you know that 47 countries' have reestablished their embassies in Iraq?

Did you know that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?

Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation,
263 new schools are now under construction and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq?

Did you know that Iraq's higher educational structure consists of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers, all currently operating?

Did you know that 25 Iraq students departed for the United States in January 2005 for the re-established Fulbright program?

Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational?
They have 5 - 100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a naval infantry regiment.

Did you know that Iraq's Air Force consists of three operational squadrons, which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft
(under Iraqi operational control) which operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?

Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion?

Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers?

Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce over 3500 new officers each 8 weeks?

Did you know there are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq? They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities.

Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?

Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October?

Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq and phone use has gone up 158%?

Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consists of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?

Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?

Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a televised debate recently?

OF COURSE WE DIDN'T KNOW!

WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW?

OUR MEDIA WOULDN'T TELL US!

Instead of reflecting our love for our country,
we get photos of flag burning incidents at Abu Ghraib and people throwing snowballs at the presidential motorcades.

Tragically, the lack of accentuating the positive in Iraq serves two purposes:
It is intended to undermine the world's perception of the United States thus minimizing consequent support, and it is intended to discourage American citizens.

Do you know why the British are sending troops home?
Because except for the area around Baghdad, the rest of the country is actually running pretty well.

---- Above facts are verifiable on the Department of Defense web site.

http://www.defenselink.mil/

.......Pass it on! Give it wide dissemination!
our Liberal Press and the anti-war Left certainly don't want you to know about it!

DJH

Wars are great for the Corrupt International Bankers

Joe Paranto — 08:36 PM Feb 21, 2007

I really get annoyed by reading the comments from pro war americans who try to justify war at any cost. It is TIME TO WAKE UP EVERYONE!

The corrupt few global bankers are behind these wars and 911 !! Ask yourself this question, "Who would benefit from the 911 "attack" " and the obvious answer is those wanting to globalize (another polite word for New World Order, PNAC, NWO, Free trade, and more).

With globalization comes more money and more power. Come on people lets think this through. Don't take my word it, watch many of the videos avaiable for free on google video. Watch Fiat Empire
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=5232639329002339531&q=fiat+empire

and 911 Mysteries (better than loose change 2)

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=911+mysteries

and Money Masters for starters,

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-8753934454816686947&q=money+masters

and then go ahead and try telling me I am an idiot for making these points here. The real idiots are those who just continue on as if nothing had happened since the New World Order PNAC henchman have started there final stages of global domination.

Like I said WAKE UP EVERYONE. We can make a difference. How about everyone transfer there bank accounts to true local banks like credit unions, and say !@#$% to the global elite

If you want your human rights and the rights of your children destroyed by the rich global elite, then go right ahead and keep your head in the sand. Unfortunately you will wake up one day, saying that guy Joe was right!!

Ignorant Opinions

Kevin — 01:40 AM Feb 22, 2007

I'm baffled by the shrill ignorant opinions offered on this site. I've been to Iraq and have seen first hand what is going on. The things you are spouting off about are what the mainstream media wants you to see, not what is really happening. Check out Old Fart's post, (Iraq a "Failure) that is what is going on. Lets keep in mind that any american loss is a tragedy, but less americans have died in this entire war than died on the first two days of the Normandy invasion! To Cindy, I am a parent and I can't imagine losing one of my children. I truly sympathize with your loss, however, your behavior since has been reprehensible. The troops choose to to what they do, everyone is a volunteer (Unless Charles Rangle D NY has his way) and takes an oath of enlistment. When you sign the dotted line, they make sure you understand the fine print telling you that this is not some office job and there is danger involved. A little support from the American Public is all the troops are asking for. Is it really too much to provide that? Never mind, reading most of these posts answers that.

That isn't the point

Rita — 12:33 PM Feb 22, 2007

How many people talk about how bad it is in Bagdad on this site? They talk about how the soldiers shouldn't be there in the first place.
It is an ILLEGAL MILITARY INVASION!!!!!!
IT IS AN OCCUPATION!!!
YEEESH.
You wake up. It isn't Liberal media. I'm liberal and I think the media is too conservative. so if you think it is too liberal and I think it is too conservative... maybe it is actually kind of middle of the road... which means totally ineffectual.
I am a patriot. Stop saying I'm not. Just because I have a different view of the world than you. And I love the troops and want them to return, with all their limbs and with there emotions in tact.
Kevin... You went to Iraq? where? why? when?
All of us support the troops.

Shame on you

Bill Certo — 02:23 PM Feb 22, 2007

Cindy Sheehan is a disgrace to America.

While she was protesting Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, Fidel Castro was holding thousands of political prisoners in his prisons. Where was Cindy's "outrage" over this?

Cindy and the other liberal moonbats who are going to be the usual "rent-a-mob" in Washington are a disgrace to the brave soldiers who have fought in Vietnam and all of our wars.

I wonder if you pathetic America haters would have protested World War 2.

The REAL Gold Star Families

Me — 02:25 PM Feb 22, 2007

You people have hijacked the good name of the REAL Gold Star Mothers.

Maybe you should read up on the history of the REAL Gold Star Mothers, instead of latching on to the America hater Cindy Shehag

http://www.goldstarmoms.com/agsm/Home/index.htm

Your Son..

Joe Oliver — 03:26 PM Feb 22, 2007

You stole your sons honor & sacrifice and live off of it. You have found a way to reap and income without sowing using your sons sacrifice.

Casey re upped ( it was NOT his first tour )and as a volunteer chose to put his life on the line side by side with many others who paid for your right to protest in with their blood.

No one will be in DC to twart what you anti-american/anti-troop protesters are doing.

We have a right to assemble and to freedom of speech as much as any one else and will be holding "VIGILS" at all Veteran Monuments in close proximity to your "show" of support for the insurgents in Iraq.

I feel bad for the "duped" among you who truely believe they are doing something worth while..but if you look at what happened in Vietnam after we left ( the genocide ) you would see the need to stay until the job is finished.

I also want to point your attention to just the
Marsh People of Iraq. I will not post about them, GOOGLE The Marsh People of Iraq. Why weren't these moonbats protesting in the streets to stop SODAM whowasinsane? Because it did not fit in with their agenda.. that while potraying a picture of protecting your rights they work to destroy the very fabric of our nation that gave you those rights. IF they happened to succeed, one day you will have no rights and when you try to raise your voice you will be slaughtered. Look around at the nations who have tried what they claim they long for.

Finally - a message from a grunt in Afghanistan:

John did not have to go and as the son of a prominent Lawyer could have taken care of "himself" rather than walk a walk to take care of you, puting his life and blood on the line so you can always have the right to dissent.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
buckivranger wrote:
From: John Buckley <buckivranger>

Why I do what I do.

I've often thought what on earth had possessed me to get me into the
jungle boots I now fill. What gave me the idea to pursue this type of
life. I have never been able to put it into words. I have my personal
reasons, the glory and the title. I sometimes think that if we all had a
sound track to our lives like they have in the movies, mine would be the
coolest. I get an occasional handshake and a thank you for what I do.

It's nice but I find no solace in that at 3 in the morning as I lay in
the mud and under 2 and a half inches of rain. Weeks let alone years of
that kind of thing make it a bit easier to endure but it still none the
less sucks. I get paid close to nothing and after 2 combat tours living
under the worst conditions possible I still haven't had enough, so why
do I do it.

I'm under the privilege of competing in the Best Ranger competition
this year and one should be in the best shape of his life to finish let
alone win. As I hit mile 19 of my 21-mile ruck run the other night I
pondered on this.

Why would I do this to myself?

I've got friends in college and friends who have jobs and are making
good money. Why am I here with 60 pounds on my back at an excruciatingly
painful jog, in the pouring rain?

I found the answer in a the eyes of a subordinate on my first tour to
Afghanistan. A man went down and with his gear and all probably weighed
in excess of 270 pounds. We were pinned down behind two small birms and
there was about 20 feet of open ground between me, the senior guy, and
one of my hooah's (a lower enlisted guy that has not yet been to Ranger
school is called a hooah.) Ladened with his own gear and the stress of
the situation he grimaced for only a second. Without missing a beat that
135-pound kid dragged his buddy back far enough to get some cover and
hoisted all 270+ pounds onto his back and took off at a dead sprint as
if his friend's life depended on it (it did).

That kid was 18 years old.

I knew then why I do what I do. The nation will always have a call,
someone must answer it. That 18-year-old kid did. He could have been
making more money flipping burgers; instead he was in Northern
Afghanistan saving his friend's life. The honor in that is unfathomable.
It's more satisfying than anything I have ever experienced. I love what
I do simply for that reason; it's a bittersweet feeling.

There's no pain like saying goodbye before you step on the plane, unsure
of what will happen but hoping and praying that you'll come back
eventually. The entire process of emotions is unexplainable but the
feeling that I get when I see my flag billowing in the wind is worth the
sacrifice, even the ultimate one.

I and those like me are warriors in the name of the United States of
America.

We don't do it for money, or glory, or girls.

We do it for you, your family and each other.

Some of us are gone and won't ever come back but it's worth it to
protect our freedoms and liberty's.

I love my country. I may not love everything about it but I love it
none the less. This country is protected by our blood and sweat, don't
take that for granted.

Never, never, forget. I won't...

Cpl John
Army Ranger 3rd Ranger Battalion
75th Ranger Regiment




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to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the
basic purpose of their daily life."
--John F. Kennedy

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and thats the way it is...

I lied.. I will post a few.. as you may be too lazy to research the truth.

Joe Oliver — 03:44 PM Feb 22, 2007

Here from the left slanted BBC network -- ignored by you and morons
like you.

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Iraq's 'devastated' Marsh Arabs
Heather Sharp
BBC News Online

The Marsh Arabs, or Madan, saw their centuries-old way of life virtually destroyed under Saddam Hussein's regime.

Many fled their remote homeland in the marshes of southern Iraq when the central government reasserted its authority across the country after uprisings following the 1991 Gulf War.

In addition, massive government drainage schemes have turned the region from one of the world's most significant wetlands to a wasteland of cracked, salinated earth.

Baroness Emma Nicholson, Chairman of the Amar Foundation, which provides aid to Marsh Arab refugees, believes they are the victims of genocide.

In targeting the Madan, Saddam Hussein "has destroyed the livelihoods and many of the lives of nearly half a million people", she told BBC News Online.

The United Nations Environmental Programme says about 90% of the up to 20,000 square kilometres of marshlands have been lost because of drainage and upstream damming in "one of the world's greatest environmental disasters".

Estimates suggest there were around 400,000 Madan in the 1950s, but that this had dropped to 250,000 by 1991.

There may now be as few as 20,000 living in the marshes.

The wetland region where the Tigris and Euphrates rivers split into meandering ribbons and lakes before flowing into the Persian Gulf has been home to human communities for five millennia.

The Bible places the Garden of Eden near the two rivers (Genesis chapter 2, verse 14).

Until 1991, the Madan lived traditionally, growing rice and dates, raising water buffalo, fishing and building boats and houses from reeds.

Uprisings

After coalition forces drove Iraqi troops from Kuwait in the Gulf War, rebellions spread across the south and north of the country.

ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT
Ecosystem has "completely collapsed"
Impact on wildlife and biodiversity is "catastrophic"
The marshlands are home to:
Two-thirds of west Asia's wintering wildfowl
11 globally-threatened bird species
3 globally-threatened mammal species
SOURCE: UNEP
Shia Muslims in the city of Basra on the southern edge of the marshes played a key role. Some Marsh Arabs took part.

Iraqi Government forces put down the uprisings brutally, bombing civilians from military helicopters. Between 30,000 and 60,000 people were killed, according to the United States.

Tens of thousands of army deserters, political opponents and others sought shelter in the remote marshes, Human Rights Watch says.

Repression was stepped up in the southern Shia towns and the Iraqi regime began large-scale hydro-engineering projects in the marshes, building dams, canals and embankments. Water levels began to drop.

In 1992 and 1993 reports emerged of a military campaign to flush out the wetlands.

If the marshlands are not restored... then the marsh people will fade into history, and our generation will be responsible for the deliberate extinction of one of the oldest races in the world
Baroness Emma Nicholson
Refugees fleeing to Iran described artillery and aerial attacks on civilian areas, arrests and executions, mine-laying and the destruction of homes and properties.

They said the Iraqis used napalm and chemical weapons and poisoned the marsh waters, although the accusations have not been confirmed.

In August 1992, US, UK and French forces imposed a no-fly zone to stop attacks on southern Iraq from the air, but offensives continued on the ground.

"The army's favourite tactic is to blow up villages selectively and then sow mines in the water before retreating," wrote the Observer journalist Shyam Bhatia, who visited the marshes in 1993.

Iraq said its engineering programmes were for reclaiming agricultural land and that it was running a relocation programme for the benefit of the marsh dwellers.

But the UN special rapporteur on Iraq, Max van der Stoel, concluded in 1995 that he had found "extremely little evidence" of successful land reclamation and "indisputable evidence of widespread destruction and human suffering".

'Desolation'

A decade later, about 40,000 Marsh Arabs are known to be living in camps or squatter settlements in Iran.

The rest are thought to be internally displaced in Iraq, but no one knows how many are still alive.

Baroness Nicholson, who visited Marsh Arabs in Iran in early February 2003, said the psychological impact on them had been "total and devastating".

She said the Madan would not be able to return home unless Saddam Hussein was replaced by an administration which would allow the marshes to be re-flooded.

Even then it might be too late to restore more than half the marshlands, she said, and few of the refugees held out much hope.

"The Marsh Arabs I know are in a state of desolation and utter hopelessness. They have been treated as no human beings should be treated and virtually no one has done anything about it," she said.

"If the marshlands are not restored in the wake of the toppling of Saddam's regime, then the marsh people will fade into history, and our generation will be responsible for the deliberate extinction of one of the oldest races in the world," she added.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/2807821.stm

I lied.. page two---. as you may be too lazy to research the truth.

Joe Oliver — 03:45 PM Feb 22, 2007

http://www.usip.org/newsmedia/releases/2002/nb20021125.html


The Marsh Arabs of Iraq: Hussein's Lesser Known Victims

November 25, 2002

WASHINGTON--Saddam Hussein's persecution of his political enemies, most notably the Kurds of northern Iraq and Shia Muslims in general, is notorious in the West, except in one case: that of the "Marsh Arabs" of southern Iraq. A society of 500,000 people who have lived in and around an enormous freshwater wetland ecosystem for some 5,000 years, the Marsh Arabs have suffered the total destruction of their economy, their culture, their habitat and their way of life. The devastation has not been the result of a direct assault on the people themselves, but on the environment that was the foundation of their existence—the marshlands. Covering about 12,000 square miles as recently as 1985, the three contiguous marshes have been drained, burned and dammed to the point that only remnants of them still exist. Where once lay healthy, ecologically rich wetlands, teeming with aquatic life, buffalo and migratory birds there now is only barren, salt-encrusted land. Researchers who have studied this phenomenon have concluded that the destruction of the marshlands had no economic or developmental purpose, but rather was carried out with the singular purpose of destroying the Marsh Arab people. If so, it was a successful venture. Most of the Marsh Arabs have left the area. Only a few thousand remain. The rest have fled to refugee camps in Iran or have dispersed throughout Iraq.

On November 11, 2002, the U.S. Institute of Peace held a Current Issues Briefing on the plight of the Marsh Arabs. Speakers were the co-editors of, and contributors to, a new book entitled The Iraqi Marshlands: A Human and Environmental Study (Politico's Publishing, London, 2002). Richard Kauzlarich, director of the Institute's Special Initiative on the Muslim World, moderated the briefing. This Newsbyte briefly summarizes the speakers' presentations.

Emma Nicholson, Member of the European Parliament, Vice Chair of the Committee on Foreign Affairs, and Special Rapporteur on Iraq

The Marsh Arab people, she said, "form a subset of humanity," as defined by the 1948 UN Convention on Genocide, so those responsible for their extreme misfortune should be prosecuted under that treaty.

The Genocide Convention "declared that the world has not just a possibility, but an absolute obligation of acting when genocide is being committed," she said.

"We lay the blame at the feet of Saddam Hussein and of his regime," the baroness said. "But we do not believe that one man is uniquely responsible and must carry the blame and the guilt for everybody else involved. Others should be tried too, and as close as possible to where the crimes were committed. We are clearly not going to be able to do that in Iraq. So the world needs to act now to set up an ad hoc criminal tribunal."
Peter Clark, Chief Executive Officer, AMAR International Charitable Foundation

Clark said the Marsh Arabs have always engendered a certain amount of distrust and suspicion among urban and northern Iraqis; the marshlands have long been thought of as a refuge for smugglers, political dissidents and other transgressors. Also, there have been plans for various engineering works in the marshes since the early 20th Century. However, the wholesale destruction of the marshlands didn't begin in earnest until after the Marsh Arabs participated in a rebellion against Saddam Hussein immediately after the Persian Gulf War.

"It was only in the '90s under the present regime in Iraq that a drive was made to...really punish the people of the marshlands, and so it has been done in a pretty horrific way," Clark said. "There have been enormous consequences both to the environment and to the people as a result of the engineering works of the area, destruction of an economic base, destruction of a way of life, out-migration, pauperization."

The area's economy and way of life was based on agriculture, livestock production, hunting, fishing, and the servicing of commercial boats that traversed the Tigris River between Basra and Baghdad. All that was made impossible with the draining of the marshes and the resulting desertification of the area. It is important to bear in mind that 80 percent of Iraq's potential oil wealth is in the marsh he added.

After the regime began its assault on the marshlands, there was an exodus of Marsh Arabs to Iran. "These people were largely nobody's friends," Clark said. "Because they were Shiite, there was not a great deal of interest on the part of the rest of the Arab world. And because they were Arab, there was no great interest on the part of Iran." Iran did, however, agree to take in some of the Marsh Arabs, about 40,000 of whom now live in refugee camps there, according to The Iraqi Marshlands. Several hundred thousand others are dispersed throughout Iraq and elsewhere.
James Brasington, Lecturer in Geography, University of Cambridge

The southern Iraq marshes were formed over a 10,000-year period as a result of the annual flooding of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. They covered some 12,000 square miles and were home to a rich assortment of wildlife species. The only part of the marshes that remains intact straddles the Iran-Iraq border and is fed entirely by stream flows from Iran, which Iraq cannot control. That segment represents about 10 percent of the original marsh area.

"The removal of a wetland has affects on the regional climate," Brasington said. "The reduction of evaporation is likely to increase summer temperatures, making the area even more inhospitable and also causing a decline in...rainfall."

There are 32 dams on the Tigris and Euphrates upstream from the marshlands. They have the capacity to hold and store the entire capacity of the two rivers.

"The water retentive capacity of these engineering structures is enormous," Brasington said. "The spring flood has disappeared. River regulation has taken [it] away."
Joseph Dellapenna, Villanova University Law School

Hussein is "very likely" guilty of genocide against the Marsh Arabs, Dellapenna said. That the largest of the three marshes holds canals and engineering structures that serve no purpose other than to drain the marsh suggests that they were not built for any legitimate agricultural or developmental purpose.

"What happened in 1991 that may have prompted this?" he asked. "The answer is very obvious. It is that the Marsh Arabs in the south, as well as the Kurds in the north, rose in revolt against Saddam Hussein at the end of the Gulf War. The allied coalition took steps to protect the Kurds. They did not take steps to protect the Marsh Arabs."

"That culture was of course built around water and around life in the marshes and that culture has been destroyed and, I would argue, deliberately and purposefully destroyed, precisely because they were people hard to control and a people who had risen in revolt."

[An October 2002 paper by John Fawcett and Victor Tanner entitled "The Internally Displaced People of Iraq," published by the Brookings Institution and the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University, reports that Iraqi state-owned media preceded the assault on the Marsh Arabs with a series of articles deriding them as primitive "monkey-faced" people, who were not real Iraqis.]

While there are a few bilateral treaties governing the use of water from the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, there is no comprehensive regional treaty. If the marshlands can be restored—which in itself is an open question—such a treaty is needed, Dellapenna said. But it certainly will not materialize while Saddam Hussein is in power.

The United States Institute of Peace is mandated by Congress to strengthen the nation's capabilities to promote the peaceful resolution of international conflict.

The views summarized here reflect the discussion at the meeting; they do not represent formal positions taken by the Institute, which does not advocate specific policies.

I lied.. page three---. as you may be too lazy to research the truth.

Joe Oliver — 03:46 PM Feb 22, 2007

Life Flows to Dying Wetlands
Postwar water aids Iraq's Marsh Arabs
(( joessoft says: Because Bush did his job - our troops did their job
while you and your ilk would have let them perish. ))

http://www.mindfully.org/Water/2003/Iraq-Wetland-Restoration28dec03.htm

RAQ: STRUGGLE TO REBUILD
Vanishing Marshes

The marshes of the southern Tigris-Euphrates river basin are a spawning ground for fisheries in the Persian Gulf as well as home to many rare and endangered species. Satellite images of the area taken since the 1970s indicate that more than 90 percent of the former marshlands (once estimated at 6,000 to 8,000 square miles) were gone as of 2000. Since then, another 3 percent of the original marshlands have disappeared, according to studiers released last month.

Source: United Nations Environment Program
Todd Trumbull / The Chronicle

Nasiriya, Iraq -- This city is known to most Americans only as a place of death, where the convoy carrying Pfc. Jessica Lynch and other GIs was ambushed and where a squad of Italian carabinieri was destroyed by a car bomb.

But just outside Nasiriya, new life surges in a place where Iraqis have taken it upon themselves to begin reversing what many feel is one of the most brutal crimes of Saddam Hussein's regime.

They are bringing the marshes back to life.

The marshes of southern Iraq once covered an estimated 6,000 to 8,000 square miles, a watery paradise bigger than the Florida Everglades that sustained fish, birds, rice, water buffalo and the world's earliest civilizations.

Thousands of years after those civilizations lived and died, people remain who live in much the same way as their ancestors, subsisting on nature's bounty in homes built of reeds.

The marsh dwellers, living links to the people of ancient Sumer and Babylon, were nearly wiped out by Hussein, who believed they were hiding Iranian guerrillas and Shiite insurgents in the swamps.

The marshes have served as shelter for fugitives since at least the eighth century, when a group of escaped slaves called the Zanj took refuge in them from the early Islamic empire. The area is too wet to permit the entry of large numbers of troops or, in modern times, tanks, and the reeds grow high enough for guerrillas to elude aerial surveillance.

But when Hussein became convinced, following the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s, that he was the latest ruler to face an insurrection from within the marshes, he set out to solve the problem permanently.

Window to the past

Ali Shahin Brisam, general director of irrigation for Nasiriya, swept his hand across a blue swath on the map that occupies one of the dusty walls on his office, which is undergoing reconstruction after postwar looting.

"This is an aerial photo taken in 1988," he said. "As of 1991, the Saddam regime dried up all this marsh. People living in the area—200,000 people—went to another area."

The process was simple, Brisam said: build a dam upstream here, close flow regulators in existing dams there, and dig a new river—the Um-Al-Maarik, or Mother of All Battles river, commemorating the 1991 Persian Gulf War—from the marshes to the gulf.

The new river served no agricultural purpose and was dug to destroy the marshes and the people who lived there, Brisam said.

The Nasiriya native, who remembers well the marshes in their prime, agrees with environmentalists and human rights activists around the world that the draining was a social, economic and ecological disaster.

The loss of fish, reeds for roofs and fences, wood for traditional canoes and other marsh products devastated Nasiriya's economy. Endangered species were driven into extinction. Summers grew hotter with the wetlands removed.

Those hit hardest, Brisam said, were the so-called Marsh Arabs, wetlands inhabitants who were forced to find menial jobs in the cities or face starvation.

"They just live on water, so when there is no water they cannot stay," he said. "They belong here. Their grandfathers and their great-grandfathers lived here."

Reversing course

In April, when his irrigation department was freed from the control of the old regime, Brisam took matters into his own hands, ordering the demolition of one dam, the opening of regulators in others and the virtual shutdown of the Um-Al-Maarik. The marshes quickly began to grow again, rebounding in just eight months from perhaps 7 percent of their original size to about 16 percent.

"Now, 10,000 people have come back. They've started to rebuild their old houses," he said proudly. "They say right now there are only small fish ... but hopefully it will get better."

The reclamation was not without cost: Hundreds of homes, built on the dry land after Hussein's government made it available for residential use, were flooded. One house collapsed on a group of children, who had to be hospitalized, residents say.

But even those who have now been forced to buy boats to take their children to school and are seeking compensation from the regional government for their lost homes say they don't begrudge the marsh dwellers their rebirth.

Deeper into the marshlands, areas that were recently desiccated are now lush and blooming. Date palms bow over green waters that serve as pathways for marsh dwellers in their mashufs, or canoes.

The Marsh Arabs are mostly Shiite, pious and proud and with sun-blasted skin and hands like leather. They are people like Juad Kadem al Juber, 52, and his brother, Hassan, 50, who returned to the marshes recently after enduring exile to elsewhere in Iraq.

"The old regime paid for its supporters to have machines so they could irrigate their land. But they didn't give me anything," Juad said. "I never wanted to leave. But I have family, kids, so I left. ... As soon as I heard water had come back, I ran back from the city."

Anything for the marshes

The brothers hated Hussein and distrust the United States because of its ties to Israel. But they are willing to accept the changes if they mean bringing the marshes back for good.

"It's still the beginning. We still want to see more water so we can grow rice," Hassan said, standing on a bridge overlooking his farm, its date palms leaning over his brother's adjoining land.

"You will never imagine how nice this was. Even better than American life. Nature supplied the people. Water was here. Fish. Birds. Dates. Rice. Everything was cheap.

"And then during Saddam's time it was all dead," he added. "He wanted to steal this beautiful life for the people of his tribe in the north.

"The source of life is water. Without water, life is dead. We can't live without the marshes or without the water. We belong to this. So you can imagine our feelings when the water came back."

It's not all back -- not by a long shot. Brisam estimated that 3 billion cubic meters of water are needed to restore the marshes entirely. Water of that volume doesn't exist in Iraq. There are reservoirs upstream on the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in Syria and Turkey, but water policy experts doubt either will rush to release enough of the precious liquid to do the job.

Regional effort needed

The United States and the international community could help by brokering a regional water policy, according to experts in international resource management such as Frederick Lorenz, who teaches a Water and Security in the Middle East course at the Jackson School of International Studies at the University of Washington.

"In my opinion, Turkey is not likely to release more water for a specific project in Iraq such as marsh restoration," Lorenz said in an e-mail interview. "And making a determination of how much and for how long would be a difficult task.

"The key will be to get Turkey to participate in a transboundary commission that looks at the overall needs and requirements of Syria and Iraq in the years ahead."

The international community is already involved in other ways, from agricultural stimulus packages being prepared by the Coalition Provisional Authority to the U.S. Agency for International Development's $4 million Marshlands Initiative, which includes a soil and water lab for Iraq's Ministry of Water Resources, pilot projects for waste management and drinking water, and programs to help marsh residents cultivate fish and water buffalo.

People are owed

But while Brisam hopes the international community will help with the difficult task of restoring basic services to the Marsh Arabs, he said he believes Iraqis can clean up Hussein's mess themselves, given time. It's something he feels the water dwellers are owed.

"The most outrageous tortures of the old regime were on the people who live in the marshes. The people who celebrated the freedom the most after the war were the people who live in the marshes," he said.

"Maybe people who live elsewhere in Iraq don't feel the freedom ... but the people of the marshes do."

E-mail Matthew B. Stannard at mstannard@sfchronicle.com
source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/12/28/MNGLH3VG3V1.DTL

Free Speech

Eagle502 — 03:48 PM Feb 22, 2007

We are not going there to silence anyone, infact our goal is to ensure your right to free speech, but not allow a misguided idea that you can deface or disgrace these monuments. You want to RESPECT these fallen heros, then all you have to do is go by quietly and respectfully!

BS

Joe Oliver — 03:54 PM Feb 22, 2007

you siad:

MY SON HAS A HEAD STONE
cindy sheehan — 08:44 AM Feb 15, 2007
GET OFF OF IT.
HAVE SOMETHING ORIGINAL, AND TRUE TO SAY.

NONE OF YOU KNEW CASEY, SO YOU DON'T HAVE PERMISSION TO SAY HIS NAME

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They already got you indoctrinated re: censorship? or does it bother your conscience - (if you have one left)?

You have made some damn nasty statements about people YOU don't know - you just don't see it that way do ya?

and thats the way it is..

Cindy's Rant

ViperAsh50 — 06:37 PM Feb 22, 2007

What do you or any od those fools who will be marching with you know about war? Those fake veterans you have hanging around your group are no less and no more than the ones John Kerry had testify...they are not Veterans and if they are they never left the USA...Grow up Cindy ...your time is near...the Nation is tired of you and your ilk and we are going to show you on March 17th.

Y'all have no clue. Really, you don't.

'Slinger — 08:12 PM Feb 22, 2007

For all you who think the G.O.E. is trying to stop your march, let me clue you in on something. We're not. You want to march and protest, feel free. It's one of your rights that we fought for and gave to you. Feel free to use it. What we are looking to do is prevent a repeat of the criminal acts of vandalism some of your brethren did to the Capitol and other Memorials around the country. All you have to do is march along your predetermined route. We are not going to stand in your way if that is all you want to do. If, however, y'all decide to commit a criminal act of vandalism on one of the War Memorials, then we will make sure that you are detained and given to the nearest law enforcement official.

Now onto J.S.:

J.S. - You said the following:

"Quote at the bottom of an "Eagles" thread.
J.S. — 01:42 PM Feb 12, 2007
"Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction where ever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that."

Oh, we knew."

First, thanks for noticing my sig line. Second, do you even know where I got that quote from? Probably not, so why don't you go look it up. Third, my sig line is how the Islamic extremists see us and has seen us for centuries. To them we are infidels who need to be destroyed. There is no reasoning with them. There is no talking to them. They have been waging their "Jihad" for close to a thousand years, do you really think that if you sit down and have a "dialogue" with them, that they are suddenly going to change their minds and want to live in peace with the rest of the world? It's not going to happen. The only thing these extremist understand is violence. The only thing the respect is overwhelming violence. That is why we are Iraq. We are also in Iraq at the request of the U.N. because Saddam was not abiding by their sanctions. But that is another post for another time.

Your walk in the park

Ron Leonard — 10:06 PM Feb 22, 2007

Cindy:

your son would rollover in his grave if he saw the antics his own mother was pulling. You disgrace the meaning of Gold Star Mother.

Hell you disgrace the word mother in general.

Remember it is the soldier that allows you to do the idiotic crap that you do not the politicians. It is you yourself with your treasonous acts that cost more lives by giving theenemy a bit more hope. You have truly earned the right to go to prison for therest of your life, but the Democrats have no balls to stand up for anything.

It is the soldier that protects you from harm that will be coming soon if you don't open your eyes along with the other ilk you hang out with.

The Vietnam Memorial is sacred ground, 58000 of my friends reside there and not you or anyone like you will dishonor them by even setting foot on the walkway of the Vietnam Memorial, YOU haven't earned the right. We have, and we paid for it with our own money, and our own blood, not with SOROS Money or Moveon.org money.

Why do you think Kerry lost the presidential election? It was because of us the proud Vietnam Veteran that know the truth about John Kerry, Just like we know the truth about Jane Fonda, and Tom Haden, and now you, but you wouldn't make a pimple on Jane Fondas ass.

One thing for certain, your walk in the park could get painful if you even attempt to dishonor anyone,vandalize anything, or even attempt to set foot within the confines of the Vietnam Memorial, Three soldiers and Nurses Monument.

Now you have a great day..see you on the 17th and be sure and rest up. It could be a long day.

What you are fighting for

Carol — 10:20 PM Feb 22, 2007

3000 men died in Iraq, that is sad really sad....more people are murdered in DC and Detroit every year than have died in all the wars since Vietnam, I dont see an outfry on that one do I?
...why dont you march on DC against MS13? They have killed more people world wide than any US army, but no you are silent.

Why not have a march in DC to protest th eIraqi's killing each other, they have killed more of themselves than any US Army?

Why not protest the North Vietnamese? After all they killed 2 million civilians after we left?

Why not protest Cambodia, they killed 3 miilon more civilians after we left Vietnam ?

Why doesnt the Democrats want to take responsibilty for those atrocities, it was their fault they are who cut the funding so Vietnam could not defend itself...yes Cindy...5 million and more anoother 100,000 drowned boat people...and theywerent going north, and 750,000 more South Vietnamese soldiers in re-education camps for 30+ years half dieing there..

Why not protest the genocide going on in Vietnam today and the murdering of the Montagnards, they were a proud people of 600,000 onm 1072 now ther are barely 60,000 and they are hunted.

Yes Cindy, this is what Jane and friends was responsible for last time, and those numbers would be a drop in the bucket if we leave Iraq like you want and to think you could get in on being responsible this time..

Islamic Trerrorist Organizations

Michael Eckstein — 11:25 PM Feb 22, 2007

Why does a "peace" march include terrorist supporting Islamic and Palestinian groups? This is nothing but an anti-American pro Palestinan march led by leftist zealots seeking a forum for their hate of the lone domcratic country in the middle east, Israel. Where were the "peace" marchers when President Clinton took us to war in Bosnia and Kosovo. Was saving Muslims from genocide a "good" war? Why aren't the "peace" marchers strongly protesting the exterminiation by Muslims of Black African Christians in the Sudan? "Peace" marchers cannot choose their wars, which is what this group does.

Why We (Nam Vet's) Are Coming

Rick Calordino-TetVet — 01:43 AM Feb 23, 2007

Cindy, like dear old Jane, you still can't see the forest for the trees. Jane still hasn't figured out after all these years that we do not despise her for being Anti War, but for going to North Vietnam & giving aid & Comfort to the enemy, which, by the way, is a Capitol Crime called Treason,punishable by Death or lengthy imprisonment, & has no statute of limitations. If you don't believe this research Lord Haw Haw, Tokyo Rose, & the American Taliban.
You are ranting and raving that ANYONE who shows up for any reason other than protesting the war is some sort of Rightist War Loving whacko, out for blood & determined to disrupt the Anti War March.
We are coming for only one reason. We simply do not trust you or any of the other people or groups who will be involved. Gee, I guess we are all paranoid.
Well, considering on the last outing the steps of the Capitol were spray painted we might be a bit concerned. Not to mention this bit of rhetoric on the website of the organizing group:
"On March 17, 2007, the 4th anniversary of the start of the criminal invasion of Iraq, tens of thousands of people from around the country will descend on the Pentagon in a mass demonstration to demand: U.S. Out of Iraq Now! 2007 is the 40th anniversary of the historic 1967 anti-war march to the Pentagon during the Vietnam War. The message of the 1967 march was "From Protest to Resistance," and marked a turning point in the development of a countrywide mass movement." This line is more than a little disturbing.
We are not worried about Vet's and there kith & kin who will be there. Here is a link to the 1000+ endorsers of this march. I guess it's because you are not old enough or you slept through it when you were in school, but when most of us read the list it rings De Ja Vu Bells from the 60's. The only ones that were not on the list were the Weathermen & the SDS! Oh well, maybe they will make a surpprise appearance. Here is a link to the list, just in case you don'y have it.
http://answer.pephost.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=8137
These are the people & groups we are worried about. They advocated violent protest before, & we are concerned that they have not mellowed with age. Besides, what in the hell is one supposed to think a group called the Welfare Warriors or Boston Anti-Zionist Action (BAZA) have as their agenda?
No Cindy, we are not showing up to start a battle. We just want to make sure that the memorials are treated with the respect they deserve. Contrary to your belief, the wall IS OURS, NOT YOURS! It was paid for & built with private funds and GIVEN to the Gov't to be it's Caretaker. More importantly, it was paid for by the blood of the people whose names are on it. In case you forgot, they died preserving your right to say your peace, even if some do not agree with it. They also died to preserve OUR RIGHT TO FREE ASSEMBLY.
One last thought. Considering you have authored two books, you might want to have someone "Ghost Write" your posts on this Blog. Quite frankly, your spelling & Syntax are atrocious.
See you at the Wall. I will be the short Italian with the denim jacket on that among others has two unique patches on it. One Says "I Will Forgive Jane Fonda When The Jews Forgive Hitler" & the other is a Skull surrounded by the words "Agent Orange Health Club, Life Member"
A Note to "Dorothy, BobK, & Vera, et al":
You really need to start drinking de-caf & start taking your medication.
One final note to Cindy. You really need to get over yourself. You are not that important to be worried about your safety so you can leave your Kevlar thong at home. Also, if you really want to do something for our returning troops, why don't you & your group take a side trip to Bldg.18 at Walter Reed & see some of the "Best Care Anywhere that our sons & Daughters are getting. It looks like the first scenes of "Born on The 4th Of July".
If you are going to continue signing your rants with "Peace & Love", [lease get it right. The correct wording is; "Peace, Love & Dope"
If you claim to remember the 60's, you probably weren't there!

Your Blog

Rick Calordino-TetVet — 01:46 AM Feb 23, 2007

You need to find another webmaster sweets. Whats with the &#38;#38 that got slammed into my post?

Cindy, Gold Star Families for Peace and their march

Capt. Gloval — 02:05 AM Feb 23, 2007

Cindy,
I just want you to know that while I cannot be at your march physically I will be there in spirit. You have my full support and I applaud you for what you are doing.
Don't listen to the nay sayers or to those who would slander you or Casey. They don't have anything better to do with their time. They feel that they have to tear down others just to build themselves up.
it takes alot of courage to do what you are doing and it takes alot of character to stand up for your beliefs. You are an inspiration to more people than you can possibly realize. Keep up the good work and know that we stand behind you 100%!!

Anger

Robert Lyons — 11:21 AM Feb 23, 2007

Cindy,
First, let me say that I am truly sorry for the loss of your precious son. The anger and upset that brings is understandable. Often, when we have horrific, intimate trauma occur, the anger that results strongly affects our perception of most everything else around us. I don't know you, so I can't comment on how, or whether the natural anger that absolutely follows a loss such as yours may have affected you. I can, however, speak to the pain I see in your words and how they sometimes seem to be shrouded in "over the top" anger. I am a USMC combat veteran having served in Viet Nam. I have quite a few distinguished military awards connected with my actions while there, but I assure you that I neither loved the war, nor love any war. I am, however, a realist and a patriot. I, like your son, felt a strong enough responsibility to help defend our country and our general way of life, that I volunteered to serve. Do I believe that every decision that every leader that I was subordinate to was flawless and correct? No. Not at all. But, I certainly recognize that this is true in any given circumstance in life, including the rearing of your son. I guarantee that you did not make every decision perfectly while raising him. Like the rest of us in life, you did the best that you could do with the information and resources that were available to you. It is implausible to think that any leader of our country, be they republican or democrat, would be willing to compromise the lives of our armed forces and the direct and indirect safety of Americans everywhere by pressing a personal or covert corporate agenda. We live in a society that is too well educated and far too communicative for a platform of that nature to be successful. I do not think that President Bush has made all the right decisions regarding this war. I am absolutely certain that no one could do that. I think he has done the best that anyone could have done under the circunstances which leaves room for much improvement, as is always the case. I believe it is possible to be critical of the mistakes that have been made without the distraction of the intense anger. Having dealt with Top Secret information during my military career, I can assure you that, like an iceberg, the information that you think you have tons of is merely the "tip." There is so much more that you don't know that is pertinent to decisions made however difficult or unpopular they may be. Information that cannot and should not be publicly accessible for our own protection and the safety of the troops on the field. I am against this war and all wars precisely because they are war, and for that fact alone. Yet, if I were called again to serve I, again like your son, would do so unhestitantly. It is the correct and honorable thing to do. I cry for your pain. Perhaps it is time to temper that into the steel resolve of ensuring those troops that remain, that their comrad's life, your son, and the lives of so many others, were not lost in vain.

Rightist rants

Viet Vet — 11:32 AM Feb 23, 2007

You jerks from the Right are disgusting. You make me (a voluntary veteran) ashamed to think I'd be adjudged an American in the same light as you.
How easy it is to come to this forum and talk tough. You lessen the sacrafice of those who'll never be able to express themselves again.

Post after post after post after post - and all you can speak of is hatred and suppression. I'm betting if you all showed up some one place in person, it would look like an organized army - one who's uniforms were white sheets with eye-holes cut into them.

Cindy has more REAL courage than all you jizzwads put together. It pains you that her voice is being heard and you peons can, at best, come here and belittle her efforts to expose the criminals in the White House.

Let's hope the next person to take the helm of this nation isn't another that suffers from "Rambo Envy". We've got a cadre of duty-dodgers sending kids to their death for NOTHING and you fruitcakes wanna worship them. Heh - there's a british heir to the throne going to Iraq, where the hell's Dub's pretty duo? Oh! That's right! They're globetrotting at the taxpayer's expense. Certainly more important than serving even in the rear echelons of another "coalition partner".
Dick's kids? Well, one's having a troop-to-be in a "dont ask - don't tell" sorta way! You can be sure that kid'll put on a uniform one day - whatever the dress code defines at some ivy league college! And of course, we'll have the extreme privlege of paying their tuition.

Dennis - Kerry WAS IN SEA - Bush weasled his way out of going there. In fact, NO ONE'S been able to get the straight skinny on JUST WHERE HE WAS when he was supposed to be serving this nation. Maybe he was trying to make up for lost duty when he rode along to stand under a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner, eh?
Dick was too sick (although he's since proved his mettle admirably on recons for quail!)

Cindy lies and people will die

Frank Johnson — 01:07 PM Feb 23, 2007

What a pityful excuse for human beings are these Ciny believers--believers in what I don't know other than belief in the destruction of the US. Sabotage the war, spit on the troops, but some day you will wish to hell someone will protect you from your beliefs. They are false, they are naive, and they project the intellectual level of a first grader. No one wants war but when you are forced into it you play to win. Interesing that over 4,000 troops died during training the last four years of the Clinton administration and we have lost over 3,000 in actual combat. Maybe combat is safer. I remember being in Vietnam and the calculation that 75% of the troops there never had a shot fired at them. I guess we unlucky 25% bore the brunt just as the young soldiers are today bearing the brunt with no support from people like Shehan. Not supporting the efforts of our troops will only lead to many more deaths at the hands of the terrorists. Thinks again people. Actually, the terrorists are more upset at our lack of morals then they are at Bush--at least they respect him.

This about covers it!

Old Fart — 01:22 PM Feb 23, 2007

February 22, 2007
Fly High you Eagles, soar (a poem)
Russ Vaughn

[Editor's note: In response to the announced intention of Jane Fonda and Cindy Sheehan to lead a Washington protest originating at the Vietnam Memorial, the group Gathering of Eagles was formed. Our Poet Laureate Russ Vaughn offers his thoughts.]

Fly High you Eagles, soar

On you we all depend.
To serve, to stand, support our war,
Our fallen to defend.
Stand firm, stand brave before our Wall;
Deal those a sorry fate,
Who answer Fonda's hateful call:
Our nation they must hate.

Fly high you Eagles, soar,
Your keen eyes see below,
The leftist fools oppose this war,
To them no low's too low.
They seek our Wall to desecrate,
To enhance their losing cause;
They seek to doom our nation's fate;
They see nothing but our flaws.

Fly high you Eagles, soar,
Above those who seek defeat,
Who seek submission, nothing more,
To a terror they can't meet.
They falter when the course is long;
They're weak-willed, failed and bitter;
Got it all entirely wrong,
So typical of a quitter.

Fly high you Eagles, soar,
Stand proud before our Wall;
You are the nation's heart, the core,
The essence of us all.
Know that we stand there with you,
In spirit and in soul,
America's not lost, not through,
We've a long, long way to go.

Fly high you Eagles, soar, from your lofty, special station,
Know this is true forever more; you've the blessing of your nation.

Russ Vaughn
Vietnam Veteran

DJH

So Called Vets

Vietnam Vet — 01:28 PM Feb 23, 2007

Its amazing that these so called radical leftists that CLAIM to be Nam vets, dont list what unit, MOS or what years they served in Nam, simply amazing.

A little postscript for "Rita"

Old Fart — 01:43 PM Feb 23, 2007

Just in case he doesn't consider you worth replying to,
"Kevin" was USAF security services
(for you ignorant non-military types, those are the guys that carry real guns and guard air bases)at An Nasaria Iraq, He was there last year.
He is now back at his home base in Germany with his lovely family.
I suggested he check this place out. He is one of MANY active duty soldiers in Iraq and around the world that I communicate with on an almost nightly basis. I get my info firsthand from the actual troops when ever possible rather than through the agenda driven media or doctrine driven sites like this.
DJH
315th Air Division USAF
Tan Son Nhut Air Base
Saigon(NOT Ho Chi Minh City)Viet Nam
66-67

The Canadians are comming

Old Fart — 02:52 PM Feb 23, 2007

Wednesday, February 21, 2007
The Canadians Are Coming! The Canadians Are Coming! To A Gathering Of Eagles

One of the myriad untruths about the Vietnam War concerns the role of Canada, our friend and neighbor to the north. It is generally seen only that Canada provided refuge to Americans who opposed serving in the Armed Forces and fled north to avoid being drafted.

You'll note that I said these were people who "opposed serving in the Armed Forces." The reason I made that point is that during the Vietnam war years, from the early adviser days in 1961, to the evacuation of the American Embassy in April 1975, about 9 million Americans served in the military.

But only about 2.5 million or slightly more than 22 percent, actually served in Vietnam itself. Even if you count all the offshore personnel, and theater personnel, such as those serving in Thailand, that number barely reaches 3 million or 33 percent.

So if you were a smart person, and we have to consider that since most of these draft evaders learned the ropes in college, which according to John Kerry automatically makes them smarter by far than anyone who joined the military, you would have realized that the odds were heavily against serving in Vietnam even if you did serve in the military.

And, unlike WWII, where 70 percent of those who served were drafted, in Vietnam, nearly 70 percent of those who served volunteered. So the odds were heavily in favor of not going to Vietnam even if you were in the service.

Further, if you are a smart person, as virtually anyone who has ever spent even a nanosecond in college must be, you know that if you enlist, instead of waiting to being drafted, you have a wide range of job choices and duty stations, the overwhelming majority of which in that time would not have included service in Vietnam.

So, during the Vietnam era thousands of college kids who didn't want to serve in the military fled to Canada. It sounded noble and intellectual to say they didn't want to participate in an "illegal and immoral war" but the truth is, they probably wouldn't have been sent to Vietnam anyway, so we must conclude that they just didn't want to serve period.

But, what rarely gets mentioned, especially in the American Terrorist Media, is that thousands of Canadian citizens also headed south specifically to enlist in the armed forces of the United States, specifically to serve in Vietnam.

How many?

That is anyone's guess. I have done some research, which reveals that no one seems to know definitively. There does seem to be agreement among the Canadian Vietnam veterans themselves that somewhere between 15,000 and 25,000 is a reasonable estimate.

How many Americans fled north? Again, that is a question that is open to interpretation. I have seen some research that says 10,000 but I have seen other opinions that say as many as 125,000.

That last number seems to be more than a bit of a stretch because it includes anyone who moved to Canada from 1961, four years before the US ramped up to major involvement in Vietnam, until 1977, six years after the US ended major combat operations, four years after the draft ended in 1973, and two years after Saigon fell to the communists in 1975. So at least eight years of that span are questionable as to motive.

Regardless, the fact is that thousands of our Canadian neighbors came south to help us and they got little to no recognition for it. I think that should change, and a Gathering of Eagles, the movement to protect the Vietnam War Memorial in Washington DC from vandalism on March 17 provides that opportunity.

I received an email a few days ago from a Canadian lady, an Air Force veteran who is coming down to DC with an Army veteran specifically "to defend the names of the Canadians on that wall." She noted that there are others who want to attend also. It is my hope that they again come south in large numbers as they did 40 years ago, and I can assure my brother and sister veterans from Canada that they will be well received.

Since I last wrote about A Gathering of Eagles, it has gained incredible strength. It started out as a few emails between veterans who were appalled that the Capitol police were ordered to allow anarchists attending a Jane Fonda headlined anti-war protest in January to vandalize the Capitol. The writers feared that something similar would occur during another planned anti-war protest on March 17 that is forming up right next to the Vietnam Memorial.

Those emails then escalated to postings on veteran or military oriented web sites, and that got things really moving. I heard about it on the www.TogetherWeServed.com website, before it actually got the name Gathering of Eagles, and after writing about it here, got notices from all over the country that like-minded people were getting involved and making plans to be in DC on March 17.

Organizers are concerned that the planned anti-war march on the Pentagon, which is billed as an anniversary celebration of a similar march 40 years ago, includes in its list of participants anti-American and pro-terrorist individuals and organizations, some of whom they fear would have no problem defacing the memorial.

But the numbers who would oppose any such vandalism are growing. In recent days members of the Rolling Thunder motorcycle riders who make an annual pilgrimage to The Wall on Memorial Day have signed on as supporters, as have the Patriot Guard Riders, National Order of the Purple Heart, various POW organizations, and veterans' groups and individuals representing all services from all eras.

In addition, a caravan of Gold Star and Blue Star mothers, representing those who have sons and daughters killed in action while serving our country, or those currently serving, will be making its way across the US to arrive in DC in time for the vigil at The Wall.

Please note that once again I have used the word vigil. I suggested to my brother and sister Marines at TWS that we not portray this as a counter-protest or opposition to the rights of the pro-terrorist marchers, but as a vigil to protect the honor and memories of our fallen brothers and sisters. The official web site for the vigil http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/ also makes that point very strongly.

In fact the website clearly states that the reason for this vigil is "To stand silent guard over our nation's memorials, in honor of our fallen, and in solidarity with our armed forces in harm's way today."

I make this point for a number of reasons, but foremost is that we have to expect less than favorable press coverage from today's pro-terrorist media, similar to the unfavorable and outright false press coverage we received in the 60s and 70s from the pro-communist media.

When the TWS Marines first started organizing I produced a news release for them, which Michael London, my boss at the Michael J. London & Associates PR firm, distributed gratis to well over a hundred national and international news outlets that cover Washington, DC.

At first the release was all but ignored by the American Terrorist Media, but one of the people listed as a contact for further information did get a call, from ITAR-Tass, the Russian news agency! And by all accounts he had a really good interview!

Just goes to show you.

However, on March 20 a representative from the Gold Star/Blue Star mothers was interviewed at length on Fox News, and a Gathering of Eagles also was mentioned on the Rush Limbaugh radio show Monday, March 19.

So word is spreading, the news is getting out and it now is up to America's veterans, in conjunction with our brothers and sisters from Canada, and any other country whose citizen's served with us, to go to Washington, defend our memorials, and show the world who really represents the heart of America.

It is a big job, and we are under extreme pressure to do it right. But that really doesn't faze most of us. We are the ones who stood up for America and freedom in the first place. Doing it again isn't really a matter of starting out on a new venture, as much as continuing to march on an objective that has been before us throughout our entire lives.

I'll see you in DC on the March 17. You can bet that for at least some of that time I'll be standing shoulder to shoulder with my brothers and sisters from Canada.
----- Original Message -----
From: J.C.C. VINCENT

The North Wall Canadian Vietnam Veterans' Memorial In Remembrance of Canadians who Made the Ultimate Sacrifice while serving In United States Forces during the Vietnam War

John A. Anderson
Alfonso P. Bartalotti
Fidele J. Bastarache
Gaetan J.G. Beaudoin
Alvin K. Bencher
Vincent Bernard
Ralph W. Bigelow
Guy A. Blanchette
Daniel A. Bolduc
Gregory L. Bomberry
Ivan C. Broeffle
Thomas E. Brown
Peter N. Bruyere
Gary Butt
Michael F. Campbell
Randall K. Campbell
Bernard J. Caron
Dale S. Chamberlain
Larry R. Collins
Mark P. Collins
Andrew C. Conrad, Jr
Austin M. Corbiere
Normand A. Corbin
Frank E. Crabbe
Donald P. Davies
Patrick J. Dearborn
Francis J.D. Delmark
Brian J. Devaney
Douglas W. Devoe
Richard P. Dextraze
Guy D. Dickie
Michael J. Dunn
Gordon P. Eadie
Ronald R. Fillmore
John F. Francis
Thomas E. Fraser
Joseph O. Frigault
Gerard L. J. Gauthier
Leslie N. General
Danny E. Goodwin
Gilbert J. Graham
Larry Green
Randolph E. Hatton
Wayne L. Hawes
Robert W. Holditch
Willis F. House
George V. Jmaeff
Andrew J. Jobey
Harry D.C. Kellar
John W.S.G. Kelly
Bruce T. Kennedy
Robert W. Kenny
Jonathan P. Kmetyk
Adolf J. Kroisenbacher
Paul S. Laverock
Daryl D.S. Lawson
Kevin D. Low
Geoffery J. Lukey
John W. MacGlashan
David K. Manning
Maurice J. Marier
Alan C. Martin
Joesph H. Marshall, III
Michael J. Masterson
Ian McIntosh
Rob G. McSorley
Cyril Mitchell, Jr
Regen A. Monette
Donald W. Morin
Calvin I. Nesbitt
James P. Nicholson
Allan W. Persicke
Roger M. Pisacreta
William M. Price
Gary W. Purcell
John H. Reeves
William R. Robson
John J. Roden
Robert J. Santoro
Charlie F. Sauler
Daniel L.P. Sauve
David B. Savage
Dennis R. Schmidt
Steven J. Scott
Ronald Scott
Larry S. Semeniuk
Edward G. Sharpe
Gary F. Shaw
John C. Sherin III
Eldon W. Smith
Frank J. Somers
Tadeusz Sozniak
Stefan Z. Stalinski
Robert J. Steel
Alan M. Sturdy
Melvin H. Suthons
Vernon J. Thorsteinson
Eldon William Tozer
Murray D. Vidler
Baxter Warren
Rutherford J. Welsh
Gordon G. White
Richard C. Williams
Thomas M. Williams
Paul H. Wolos
Jonathan P Works
Melvin James Wright
Gerald F. Young
AS LONG AS WE LIVE YOU SHALL LIVE
AS LONG AS WE LIVE YOU SHALL BE REMEMBERED
AS LONG AS WE LIVE YOU SHALL BE LOVED

DJH

Your have the right to be an idiot

Gysgt Ronald C. shaw — 03:31 PM Feb 23, 2007

I gave 20 years of my life to protect your right to say anything you want to, and would do the same if called to do it again, but I do not have to agree with you and do not agree with you and would not miss a seconds sleep if you joined Anna Nichol Smith.

Marine84 — 03:32 PM Feb 23, 2007

Mrs Sheehan - I am terribly sorry for your loss however; HE DIDN'T DIE FOR NOTHING. When your son signed that dotted line he knew full well what he was getting into. HE defended YOUR right to DISRESPECT the hell out of him when he died!

You (and ALL of your "followers") are a DISGRACE to the Gold Star Mothers AND their families. I think the Patriot Guard Riders say it best - if you do not want to stand behind the troops and SUPPORT them then, PLEASE feel free to stand in FRONT of them.

From what I've read on your blog here - you people aren't promoting peace - how can you say that you are when all I've read is a feeble attempt to try to persuade someone into your mindset by personally attacking other people? It's OK - personally attack all you want - ALL of us Veterans served in our military so that you all can do it.

As has been stated to you before - the "Eagles" that will be gathering really don't care how you feel about this or any other war. We will ONLY be there to guard OUR memorials for OUR war dead.

As for the bonehead that said something about all the Vets need to try to go back in..............don't think it hasn't been attempted. When I tried to get back in at the age of 40 after Sept 11, I couldn't because of age. I would have GLADLY gone back in so that YOU wouldn't have had to lose your son. And I wasn't the only one - I know a lot of others that tried the same thing.

We'll see you at the Wall................

Your appearance at the Wall.

Eaglestrikes — 04:10 PM Feb 23, 2007

As a Conservative and VietNam vet with the 'Right' to voice my view here it is in simplicity.
It is not your wall and never will be.
Come on Down.
We will be waiting.
Ya tah hey.

CNN's Iraqi Cover-Up

CNN's Iraqi Cover-Up — 05:11 PM Feb 23, 2007

CNN's Iraqi Cover-Up

CNN admits that knowledge of murder, torture, and planned assassinations were suppressed in order to maintain CNN's Baghdad bureau.

In a shocking New York Times opinion piece, CNN's chief news executive Eason Jordan has admitted that for the past decade the network has systematically covered up stories of Iraqi atrocities. Reports of murder, torture, and planned assassinations were suppressed in order to maintain CNN's Baghdad bureau.

Read Jordan's op-ed at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/opinion/11JORD.html

Jordan has not always been so candid -- nor honest. Just six months ago on public radio, when challenged regarding the veracity of CNN's Baghdad reports, Jordan stated:

"CNN has demonstrated again and again that it has a spine; that it's prepared to be forthright... we work very hard to report forthrightly, to report fairly and to report accurately and if we ever determine we cannot do that, then we would not want to be there [in Iraq]."
http://wnyc.org/onthemedia/transcripts_102502_jordan.html

Below, HonestReporting presents a series of op-ed columns and editorials condemning CNN's policy. At the end of this communique is a response that CNN's Eason Jordan sent to HonestReporting.

Now that this senior CNN executive has come clean, it leaves us wondering: In what other regions ruled by terrorist dictators do the media toe the party line so as to remain in good stead? It is known that the Palestinian Authority, since its very establishment, has employed brutal methods of intimidation against journalists.

For specific examples, see HonestReporting's expose, "Palestinian Intimidation of the Press":
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/reports/Palestinian_Intimidation_of_the_Press.asp

Have the major international news agencies also withheld information on the PA in order to stay on good terms with Arafat's henchmen? As HonestReporting chronicled on another occasion, CNN has at the very least lent credence to patent lies stated by the Palestinian Authority:
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/critiques/Broadcasting_the_Big_Lie.asp

Now that CNN has turned sincere, admitting it buried stories that would smear Mideast dictators, perhaps the time has come for more comprehensive, honest reporting in the region.

HonestReporting encourages members to respond to the Jordan admission by demanding that media agencies report the facts, including efforts to intimidate Mideast journalists. If news agencies must buy access to dictators' regions through the omission of telling violence, we must insist that they either report the truth, or leave.

==== OP-EDS AND EDITORIALS ====

(1) Some of the most damning evidence against CNN comes from a Washington Times op-ed by Peter Collins ("Corruption at CNN - April 15, 2003 - http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20030415-91009640.htm). Collins briefly worked for the network in Baghdad and sat in on talks involving executives Eason Jordan and Tom Johnson, who were trying to negotiate an exclusive interview with Saddam Hussein:

"The day after one such meeting, I was on the roof of the Ministry of Information, preparing for my first 'live shot' on CNN. A producer came up and handed me a sheet of paper with handwritten notes. 'Tom Johnson wants you to read this on camera,' he said. I glanced at the paper. It was an item-by-item summary of points made by Information Minister Latif Jassim in an interview that morning with Mr. Johnson and Mr. Jordan.

"The list was so long that there was no time during the live shot to provide context. I read the information minister's points verbatim. Moments later, I was downstairs in the newsroom on the first floor of the Information Ministry. Mr. Johnson approached, having seen my performance on a TV monitor. 'You were a bit flat there, Peter,' he said. Again, I was astonished. The president of CNN was telling me I seemed less-than-enthusiastic reading Saddam Hussein's propaganda."

(2) In the Wall Street Journal ("CNN's Access of Evil" - http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110003336), Franklin Foer writes:

"For a long time, CNN denied that its coverage skimped on truth. While I researched a story on CNN's Iraq coverage for the New Republic last October, Mr. Jordan told me flatly that his network gave 'a full picture of the regime.' In our conversation, he challenged me to find instances of CNN neglecting stories about Saddam's horrors. If only I'd had his Times op-ed!...

"For nearly a decade, the [CNN] network gave credulous treatment to orchestrated anti-U.S. protests. When Saddam won his most recent 'election,' CNN's Baghdad reporter Jane Arraf treated the event as meaningful: 'The point is that this really is a huge show of support' and 'a vote of defiance against the United States.' After Saddam granted amnesty to prisoners in October, she reported, this 'really does diffuse one of the strongest criticisms over the past decades of Iraq's human-rights records'."

(3) Commentator Marc J. Rauch writes:

"Like all the other similarities that exist between the despotic Arab regimes, Yasser Arafat and the PLO employ the exact same fear tactics [as Saddam]. They kill and torture anyone they can get their hands on that disseminates a dissenting opinion. It's impossible to think that CNN hasn't received additional threats from Arafat, and that CNN isn't also caving into this pressure to protect their precious network, by covering up more truths."

(4) HonestReporting member Arnold Roth, whose teenage daughter was killed in the Palestinian terrorist attack at Jerusalem's Sbarro restaurant, writes:

"Over the past 18 months, since the Sbarro massacre, my wife Frimet and I have grown increasingly appalled at the display of poor journalistic and ethical values of a procession of reporters, photographers, journalists and media analysts. Some of them have misreported on events about which we had personal knowledge. Others have come to our home or invited us to their studios and directly interviewed us -- and then did disgraceful things with the material they collected. CNN and the Australian Broadcasting Corporation are at the top of a depressingly long list.

"After a disclosure as broad-reaching and shocking as Eason Jordan's, why would we trust anything that comes from CNN? By covering up these stories, CNN helped the evil regime of Saddam Hussein remain in power, for no other reason than sheer cowardice. CNN believed -- wrongly and reprehensibly -- that remaining in Baghdad was more important that reporting the truth.

"CNN and Eason Jordan are certainly not alone. From personal knowledge, some of the biggest media names regularly, consistently tell lies and deny it. This is especially true in relation to how they report on the Palestinian Arab war of terror against our children. This continues until today. It will go on until ordinary people like you and me speak out and demand that it ends. Every one of us needs to consider carefully what we can do. But doing something constructive is imperative."

(5) Jeff Jacoby, writing in The Boston Globe (Trading Truth For Access? - http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/107/oped/Trading_truth_for_access_+.shtml), notes the testimony of Thomas Friedman, who described in his 1989 best seller "From Beirut to Jerusalem" what it was like to be a reporter in Beirut during the years when southern Lebanon was dominated by Yasser Arafat's PLO and Syria's Palestinian loyalists.

"No discussion about the reality of Beirut reporting would be complete," he wrote, "without mentioning a major reporting constraint journalists there faced: physical intimidation." He explained, for example, how Syria's agents dealt with one journalist they didn't like: He was found with a bullet in his head and his writing hand mutilated with acid. Earlier, Friedman recalled his own terror on learning that Arafat's spokesman wanted to see him "immediately" about the stories he'd been filing to New York:

"I lay awake in my bed the whole night worrying that someone was going to burst in and blow my brains all over the wall."

"There were... stories which were deliberately ignored out of fear. Here I will be the first to say `mea culpa.' How many serious stories were writen from Beirut about the well-known corruption in the PLO leadership...? It would be hard to find any hint of them in Beirut reporting before the Israeli invasion."

And Friedman's most damning admission: "The truth is, the Western press coddled the PLO... For any Beirut-based correspondent, the name of the game was keeping on good terms with the PLO, because without it would you not get the interview with Arafat you wanted when your foreign editor came to town."

(6) A pair of Washington Times editorials (April 14 and 15) note:

"For the last twelve years, CNN has provided the West with the dominant news image of Saddam's Iraq. But, now we know... The propaganda flowed like wine. CNN was running a straight propaganda-for-profits deal with Saddam. Until CNN brings in honest news executives, no prudent viewer should trust CNN's current and future reporting from other foreign capitals."

"Former CNN Baghdad correspondent Peter Collins makes a strong case that Mr. Jordan is lying when he denies that ensuring access was a motive for CNN's shading of the truth on Iraq... Collins adds that, the following day, when he factually reported that Iraqi charges that American war planes were bombing "innocent Iraqi farmers" were false (it turned out that the "farm" in question was most likely a location for Iraqi missile batteries), CNN correspondent Brent Sadler rebuked him."

(7) Eric Fettmann writes in the New York Post ("Craven News Network" - April 12) that Eason Jordan's revelation is "like saying that the best interests of journalism would have justified suppressing stories on the Holocaust during World War II in order to keep a U.S. news bureau in Berlin so as to be able to tell Nazi Germany's side of the story... This astonishing confession doesn't just undermine CNN's claim to be "the most trusted name in news" - it wreaks incalculable damage on all journalists' ability to be trusted... Indeed, CNN's silence seems to have cost as many lives as it may have saved."

(8) Margaret Wente writes in Canada's Globe and Mail ("Saddam's silent collaborators" - April 15) of the children's prison in Baghdad where the regime locked up the kids of parents deemed disloyal to the regime, and tortured them. She questions why for years CNN and others didn't report on "the children's screams" even though they were known about. Former weapons inspector Scott Ritter, for example, said he knew about the children's prison because his team inspected it in 1998. He once said it was the most horrific thing he had seen. "Probably 200 kids from toddlers to 12-year-olds. The stench was unreal --urine, feces, vomit, sweat. The kids were howling and dying of thirst. We threw water in there, but the Iraqis probably took the water out afterwards."

==== EASON JORDAN RESPONDS =====

To: action@honestreporting.com
From: Eason.Jordan@turner.com

Since you chose to circulate two mass e-mails attacking my NY Times op-ed piece on CNN's Iraq horror stories, I ask that you consider distributing my response to the controversy.

Since my op-ed piece in the New York Times Friday stirred a controversy, I want to share my thoughts with you about it. In the op-ed, I described how the Iraqi regime intimidated, tortured, and killed people who helped CNN over the years. It was a tough piece to write. But I felt strongly the stories needed to be told as soon as telling them would not automatically result in the killing of innocent colleagues, friends, and acquaintances -- most of them Iraqis.

Some critics complain that the op-ed piece proves CNN withheld vital information from the public and kowtowed to the Saddam Hussein regime to maintain a CNN reporting presence in Iraq. That is nonsense. No news organization in the world had a more contentious relationship with the Iraqi regime than CNN. The Iraqi leadership was so displeased with CNN's Iraq reporting, CNN was expelled from Iraq six times -- five times in previous years and one more time on day three of this Iraq war. Those expulsions lasted as long as six months at a time. CNN's Baghdad bureau chief, Jane Arraf, was banned from the country in response to her reporting on an unprecedented public protest demanding to know what happened to Iraqis who vanished years earlier after being abducted by Iraqi secret police. Christiane Amanpour, Wolf Blitzer, Aaron Brown, Brent Sadler, Nic Robertson, Rym Brahimi, Sheila MacVicar, Ben Wedeman, and Richard Roth were among the other CNN correspondents and anchors banned from Iraq. If CNN were trying to kowtow and maintain its Baghdad presence at any cost, would CNN's reporting have produced a contentious relationship, expulsions, and bannings? No. CNN kept pushing for access in Iraq, while never compromising its journalistic standards in doing so. Withholding information that would get innocent people killed was the right thing to do, not a journalistic sin.

Did CNN report on the brutality of the regime? Yes, as best we could, mostly from outside Iraq, where people in the know could speak more freely than people inside Iraq. In Saddam's Iraq, no one was foolish enough to speak on camera or on the record about the brutality of the regime because anyone doing so would be effectively signing his or her death warrant. So we reported on Iraq's human rights record from outside Iraq and featured many interviews with Iraqi defectors who described the regime's brutality in graphic detail. When an Iraqi official, Abbas al-Janabi, defected after his teeth were yanked out with pliers by Uday Saddam Hussein's henchmen, I worked to ensure the defector gave his first TV interview to CNN. He did. I also personally asked Tariq Aziz in a live TV interview during one of our World Report Conferences to defend his country's dreadful human rights record. Other CNNers over the years also put tough questions to Iraqi officials.

Some critics say if I had told my Iraq horror stories sooner, I would have saved thousands of lives. How they come to that conclusion, I don't know. Iraq's human rights record and the brutality of the Saddam Hussein regime were well known before I wrote my op-ed piece. The only sure thing that would have happened if I told those stories sooner is the regime would have tracked down and killed the innocent people who told me those stories. Critics say I could have told the stories without identifying Iraqis by name. But the Iraqi secret police surely knew everyone I met in Iraq and would have had no trouble identifying who told me the stories. No doubt those people would be dead today if I spoke sooner.

A number of people have told me CNN should have closed its Baghdad bureau, helped everyone who told me the horror stories flee Iraq, with me thereafter telling those stories publicly long before now. While that is a noble thought, doing so was not a viable option. Iraqis (and their families) who told me those stories in some cases could not, and in other cases would not, leave their country simply for the sake of CNN being able to share their stories with the world. Incidentally, there are countless such horror stories in Iraq. I knew just a few of them. We will hear many more of them in the days, weeks, and months ahead.

Knowing the personal stories I knew about the brutality of the regime, I had three options: 1. Never repeat such horror stories. 2. Tell the stories sooner and, as a result, see innocent people killed. 3. Tell the stories after the downfall of the Saddam Hussein regime. I chose option three and could never imagine doing anything else.

I chose to write the NY Times op-ed to provide a record of one person's experiences with the brutality of the Iraqi regime and to ensure we maintain CNN's long record of reporting on atrocities around the world, even if in these cases we could do so only years later to protect the lives of innocent people.

Eason

So What

So What? — 05:25 PM Feb 23, 2007

So what that so far the US Troops have uncovered over 250 MASS GRAVE SITES!

None of the above, including, but not limited to The Marsh People of Iraq - was even worth a "twitch" from the "communist left" ( the same commies behind ANSWER if you trace their roots ) because their only interest is the demise of the united states as a nation ending the constitutional provisions all have been accustomed
to. ( to say the least ).

If the information I read just on the Marsh People of Iraq saves just ONE person from becoming a part of their own demise, it was then well placed.

Please use your head young men and women of America.

Smitty — 08:13 PM Feb 23, 2007

This is addressed to Bob K who said we Vietnam veterans were the spitball spitters and never amounted to anything. Bob, you are so far from the truth. I served in the USMC (Yes..USMC, Big Bad Marine Mike!)and Was in two conflicts.. Dominican Republic Revolution and 13 months in that hell hole called Vietnam. But somehow found the time to be HONORABLLY discharged, attend college and acquire a 4-year degree from a major college. AND I will be at the Wall with my brothers from Vietnam. We will be at the Wall to protect those of us who lost their livesin Nam. There are always those who would prefer to start trouble regardless of what you do. We will be there to ensure that the Wall is not desecrated. Veterans fought for rights and freedoms and you should be able to protest against what you feel is wrong. Feel good about being able to protest because in many countries you would be put to death for that. Iraq was one of those countries!! At the present time they are not because of our actions there. THAT is called freedom! My God, all you have known all your life is freedom! Do you want to protest Iraq having the same freedom? Or do you want us to pull out and allow millions to be slaughtered just like what happened when the government pulled us out of Vietnam. YES..Millions of South Vietnamese were butchered by the North Vietnamese when our government turned its back on the Republic of South Vietnam and pulled our troops out. If that's what you want, then continue with your hatred. But don't step on us!!!!!!!!!!!

You Have the Right

Ex Tanker — 08:20 PM Feb 23, 2007

Cindy,
Good spin job I must say....The VAST amount of veterans are comming as Eagles not because we believe the war is right( I do ) We are comming to insure the sanctity of the wall remains in tact unlike the Capital Building the last time you "peace lovers" got together.....Also the way that poor Iraqi amputee was treated was deplorable by your group.

We freely and fully acknowledge your right to march and say and think what you like,,,,most of the veterans Ive talked to that are going all feel that way,,,,but god help anyone who defaces the wall.That right nobody has. Want us to look real bad? Help ensure nothing happens and you can come back and say look how we wasted our time!

See you march 17th from the other side.

What is wrong

Tony C — 08:32 PM Feb 23, 2007

I have never seen such hate from people who claim to love peace and the world. You condemn those who wish to gather to protect what they consider holly ground of their dead brothers. You decry that they will open there mouth to criticize those protesting the War, yet it is those same people who sacrificed to allow your kind to protest. You claim never to have spat on those who have served, but those in your ranks have and it was documented. You have the right to free speech, but not hate speech. Most of the comments on this site berate those of the right. Most of the Military are considered right of center. These are the ones who have sacrificed to give others rights. What have those on the left sacrificed to give others rights. Have they struggled in hardship? Gone without food or water? Been shot at, or wounded or killed? just so others have rights. The answer is NO. They have stayed here in the US and bitched about every thing going on that is not their cause. As for those who right and claim military service, they are the only ones in my opinion that have those rights. I also have served in the Marine Corps, and I am a Combat wounded Veteran from Vietnam. I intended to help those of the South be free, but the Democrats in power at the time decided different, and now deny it (the democrats go us into the War on the lie of the Bay of Tonkin). Those protesters sided with the Communists, and helped them, through public opinion, to end the War as you are doing now. After we left the Communist ended up killing almost 3 million people in S.E. Asia, but those like Jane Fonda seem to not want to admit it was their efforts who bought that slaughter about. Even the North Vietnamese admit to these facts. You say you want this illegal war to end now. Well the Congress voted on this so its not illegal, and how many thousands of innocent Iraqi people would have continued to be killed and raped had not Husein been removed. Are you so selfish that you only want you and others like you here in the US to be free? Name another Country that can help defenseless people against tyrants. You can't. So its up to us to sacrifice to help others be free. Oh yea, by the way, those others want America to die, and if they attack will it be your kind defending this great Country, or will you expect guys like me to defend your kind like we have in the past. Maybe we should let you negotiate on your own behalf with people who have sworn to kill all infidels. As for myself, and my friends who are often referred to as right minded, we will survive, and live to see our children, and grandchildren live free. You see freedom comes with a price, and it sounds like none of you will pay that price, but expect others to do it for you.

Smitty — 08:59 PM Feb 23, 2007

Viet Vet, you are so funny! HAHAHA!!!

Smitty — 09:16 PM Feb 23, 2007

OFS, Tony, OFS!!!!!

SF!
Smitty

— 09:28 PM Feb 23, 2007

REPLY TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SLANDER CINDY:

YOU ARE VILE AND VERBALLY ABUSIVE. RATHER THAN INSULT CINDY, YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN PRO-WAR BLOG, OR BETTER YET, GO TO IRAQ, SINCE YOU'RE ALL SUCH EXPERTS. BOBF: HOW CAN YOU CLAIM TO BE AN EXPERT IN KNOWING THE PSYCHOLOGY OF SOMEONE WHOM YOU'VE NEVER EVEN MET, YET YOU BOLDLY PROCLAIM THAT THE MOTHER WHO KNOWS HIM BETTER THAN ANYONE IS WRONG. YOU COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THIS UNLESS YOU EVER GAVE BIRTH AND DEEPLY BONDED WITH YOUR CHILD. JOE: YOU''RE ABUSIVE, MAN. YOU DARE STATE THAT CINDY LIVES OFF HER SON'S HONOR. THAT IS VILE. APOLOGIZE. YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW HOW TO TREAT CINDY, AND I'M SURE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO TREAT YOUR OWN MOTHERS. YOU SHOULD ALL FEEL HUMBLED THAT DESPITE YOUR RUDENESS TOWARDS HER ON HER BLOG, CINDY NEVER KICKED YOUR REMARKS OFF. SHE'S NICE, EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE MEAN, CALLOUS AND MISGUIDED. MARINE84; DARE CALL ONE OF YOUR EQUALS A DISGRACE. QUIT PICKING ON A HUMANITARIAN WHO IS A BRILLIANT WOMAN AND A SUPERB WRITER. YOU PRESENT YOURSELF AS A MACHO COWARD WHO PICKS ON OTHERS FROM A SAFE DISTANCE.

ALL OF YOU ARE ABUSING YOUR ANONYIMITY TO WRITE HURTFUL AND SADISTIC COMMENTS, KNOWING FULLY WELL THAT NO ONE CAN GET YOU BACK THROUGH THE COMPUTER SCREEN. CINDY, ON THE OTHER HAND, DOES NOT HIDE; YOU ARE VERBALLY ATTACKING AN UNARMED AND NOBLE AMERICAN, WHO IS RIGHT UP THERE IN THE FRONT-LINE, DEFENDING HER COUNTRY. SHE'S SO OPEN AND TO YOU, SHE'S AN EASY TARGET.

IT IS A PATHETIC OBSERVATION ON THE INTELLIGENCE OF MANKIND THAT SO MANY OF YOU UTILIZE SOMEONE ELSE'S BLOG TO HURT THAT PERSON. THIS IS LIKE BITING THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU. I DOUBT YOU UNDERSTAND ANYTHING I'VE WRITTEN SO FAR.

FRANK: YOU DO NOT EVEN DISPLAY THE MATURITY LEVEL OF A FIRST-GRADER. A FIRST-GRADER KNOWS ENOUGH TO SPEAK WITH RESPECT TOWARDS OTHERS.

I HOPE THAT ONE DAY, SLANDEROUS STATEMENTS ARE DELETED, SO INTELLIGENT AND RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE NO LONGER HAVE TO RECEIVE INDIGNITIES ON THIS BLOG.

She can hise the truth from some - never from all....

Right On!! — 09:40 PM Feb 23, 2007

Friend of Casey's — 09:06 PM Feb 23, 2007
I'm sorry to have to tell you this, Cindy, Casey did talk about his love for his mother, but he also said that you never came around and that you never showed any interest in him. Now you seem to feed off his death... not good for a mother. I'm sorry, but Casey believed in the war! You are saying he didn't but he told me that he did. Please stop telling lies about a good, decent soldier.
SHAME on you, Cindy Sheehan. ASK HIS DAD!!!!

to No Balls

Balls — 09:43 PM Feb 23, 2007

you said:

REPLY TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SLANDER CINDY:

post your name if you believe what you say.. I see many who have you slander.. and speak about "slander" read mis wannabe peace nic for a bucks opening tirade agaist people she knows nothing about.

FOLK YOU.. back ally sally .. you'll never be the man your mother was.

Viet vet — 09:46 PM Feb 23, 2007

Joe Parano, Good BJ, Joe. You are getting better and better!

to nameless weanie...

Balls — 09:48 PM Feb 23, 2007

above you scribbled:

YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW HOW TO TREAT CINDY, AND I'M SURE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO TREAT YOUR OWN MOTHERS.
-----------------------------------------------

Now I have to ask after reading your self serving wannabe a hero BS lines above.. you want to be a left wing icon.. but you have a problem.. probably
a small thingy too.. but - wait I could be wrong
as I believe the answer to this question will be NO... so let me ask.. while you brain fart over your keyboard...............

Did your mother have any kids that lived?

My Wall

Snakeman — 11:25 PM Feb 23, 2007

My Brother Eaglestrikes said it all. We were together on the DMZ in '68 during Tet. We protect that wall because it BELONGS to those whose names are engraved on it, their families, and those of us left with the physical and emotional wounds of that war. You are not going to use us to make a protest of what you, and your kind may think of the war in Iraq. THAT WALL IS SACRED GROUND!!! If it is defaced, demeaned, or disrespected in any way, manner, or form. I would highly suggest you find a very deep hole to hide in.
And for you marine Mike. ( Notice that I did not capitalize the m in Marine ). You are a non-combatant, non-trigger time F**K. You may have earned your stripes, BUT they weren't Blood Stripes. Bet you're just a motor mouth WANNABE, who didn't have the balls to make it through boot camp. Why don't you ID yourself at the WALL asshole. You have NO idea how many Marines want to meet your sorry ass.

This is just alot of talk

JP — 12:17 AM Feb 24, 2007

Seems to me the "useful idiots" here are trying to get their courage screwed up. LIke Cheerleaders they keep saying the same things over and over trying to get fired up.

But know that we will stand at the wall as Americans have stood fast since Yorktown.

And you folks will do as you always do, and dry up and blow away.

Good day

YOU DONT SPEAK FOR ME!

balls — 12:30 AM Feb 24, 2007

Thanks for helping me decide on whether to go to DC or not!
Kat — 06:14 PM Feb 11, 2007
I was just in DC for the J27 march. It's a long way from Minnesota but these "eagles" don't speak for me!

------------------------------------------------------

and you assholes who are going to get our young men killed as you pump up the terrorists.. thats
who you will be supporting when you make the trip.

and YOU.. don't speak for me.. or millions like me.

suck my magic twanger..

wannabe's

balls — 12:32 AM Feb 24, 2007

this place stinks with wannabe vets... posting like they been there done that.

wanna bet 99% never served.

The WALL , Veit Nam, Korea , WWII, and your freedom

James Paris — 12:59 AM Feb 24, 2007

How dare any of you, including "Bagdad" Cindy Sheehan and "Hanio" Jane Fonda, bad mouth Our government about The Iraqi War, The Viet Nam War or any war we have fought in.
WWII, the Korean (War) Conflict, The Cold War, The Viet Nam War and now The War In Iraq were fought to insure your continued freedom.
How is this so you ask. Well, let me tell you. It was to stop the oppresion of all the freedom loving people in the world.
First we fought the Nazis and then the Commies and now the Muslims that want to kill all the infidels. As is in any war not all of the people in the group are against us, so no I do not hate all Muslims.
As we stopped the Germans in WWII, the North Koreans at the DMZ, and kept the Commies from over running Western Europe during the Cold War we must stop the Iraqis from tring to destory the rest of the Aribic World.
No I did not forget Viet Nam. We the American Service Men and Women wanted to win that war but were not allowed to because you bleeding hearts did not care if the commies took control (as they finially did). French went in to help in the fifties and were forced out by the Viet Cong later. It was at this point that the South asked us for help to remain free. So we sent first adviser then combat troops to help keep a freedom loving people free.
We the soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen wanted to win this conflict to allow these people to enjoy freedom like we do. But no all of you bleeding hearts said "no get out let the commies have the place".
Well I fought in two of these wars, the Cold War and The Viet Nam War. I am proud to have done my duty to help not only this Great United States of America remain free but to help keep Europe free from Communism and try to stop its spread in SouthEast Asia. (Which we were not allowed to do.)
So those serving now are not only fighting for a free Iraq they are also fighting to keep you free. FOR I AM SURE THAT IF ANY OF THESE PEOPLE INVADE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA YOU WILL THEN WANT THEM TO PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE FOR YOU.
For if not this great country will surely fall,FOR I AM SURE THOSE WHO WILL NOT FIGHT NOW WILL NOT FIGHT THEN. YOU WILL BE WAITING FOR THEM AT THE SHORES TO AFRAID TO FIGHT. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THEN AND ONLY THEN, WILL YOU GET WHAT YOU SO JUSTLY DESERVE, TOTAL DOMINATION WITH NO FREEDOM AT ALL.

LONG MAY LIVE THE BRAVE AMERICAN FIGHTING MEN AND WOMEN WHO GIVE THERE LIVES SO YOU CAN PROTEST.

Signed
James Paris
F-Troop
2/2 ACR
Bamberg, Germany
1965 - 1967
Ft Hood, Texas, 19667 - 1968, 1969
Panama Canal Zone1 1968
C Company 47th Inf.
9th Inf. Div.
Dong Tam, South Viet Nam
LONG LIVE THE AMERICAN SPIRIT OF FREEDOM FOR ALL.

— 01:55 AM Feb 24, 2007

Jim

You were there, and you were bloodied. Our world, outside the band of brothers who served, has never seen what we were fighting against and know what we were fighting for. The journalist, college students, and peace activists never realised the damage they were doing, or that all of them had freedoms because of what warriors, who paid the price, did to protect them. And you/we felt the defense of freedom, our domestic tranquility, and our way of life here in America was worthy of our fight. If you are a Veteran who served, all I can say is "Welcome Home" and "Semper Fi" you are worthy of our nation's support! After having been there, your world was never the same again!!

VWV

balls — 02:07 AM Feb 24, 2007

Many Vietnam women veterans have never told their friends, colleagues or even loved ones about their tour of duty in Vietnam. The majority of them were only in their early 20s when they returned to a country that did not understand what they had just experienced. Although most were there to save lives, they received the same hostile treatment as the returning combat soldiers.

— 02:08 AM Feb 24, 2007

Our War - by Diane Carlson Evans

I don’t go off to war, so they say,
I’m a woman.

Who then has worn my boots?
And whose memories are these,
of youth’s suffering?

I’m a woman and I’ve tasted man’s war.
Our war.
And he knows that I love in no greater way
than to share in his life or his death.

What are the rules?
Man or woman,
we are prey to suffer and survive together.

Please don’t forget me.
I’ve been through war’s hell and if only you will listen,
I’ve a story of those chosen to sacrifice for us all.

©1983, Diane Carlson Evans, Vietnam 1968-69
Chair & Founder, Vietnam Women’s Memorial Project, Inc.

If you don't know don't speak.

Headhunter — 02:13 AM Feb 24, 2007

For Robin on CORINTHIANS 1 CHAPTER 13 1 you forgot to read it all. 1 CORINTHIANS 14 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but the peace, asin all churches of the saints. 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn anything, let them ask thier husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in church. 1 15 33 Be not decived: evil communications corrupt good manners. This is for Standing wit Eagles. War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things, the decayed and degraded state of moral and pathrtic feeling of a person who thinks that nothing is worth war is much uglier a man who has nothing far which he is willing to fight - nothing he care's about more then his own personel safety and well being - is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free' unless made and kept so by the exertions and blood of better men than himself John Stewart Mill 1806 to 1873 For the people who slander Cindy I have nothing against her she has her rights but don't walk on mine because I fly with Eagles and you can have my address anytime. Go Brother's.

Vietnam Women's Memorial Project, Inc

Headhunter — 03:04 AM Feb 24, 2007

Betty and Diane; You will never know in how many prayer's and the thanks you more than deserve goes out to you every night and never forget you are loved by many and you can fly with my Eagles anytime for we know the whole 265,000 are Angel's forever. We love you all.

Marine Mike is a chicken shit.......

Nam Grunt — 07:53 AM Feb 24, 2007

Meet me at panel 50E On the 17th limp ass.....you should be ashamed to call yourself a Marine....just ask for Nam Grunt 26......your a wannabe chickenshit.....

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Marine84 — 09:05 AM Feb 24, 2007

Mrs Sheehan, this is starting to get funny. I see some of your "followers" are going to end up in jail on the 17th. Hope DC has one big enough for all of you. For a bunch of peace lovers, you guys sure are angry and you can't even back up 3/4 of what comes out of your mouthes.

And Nam Grunt - they tick me off a little too man but, that's exactly what they want you to do. They will only be there to cause a big stink and see what they can get started. Please don't fall into it and PROTECT that panel with ALL your might! If one of them comes near it (especially Marine Mike) then, by all means, SHOW him what a TRUE Devil Dog is! Semper Fi!

Now, for goober a few posts up that forgot the caps were on. YOU can kiss my ENTIRE ass! I see YOU don't have your name anywhere babe (MINE is below so YOU can run a check on the info, if you would like). We don't REALLY care what you folks think about this war - hell, what makes you or anybody else in here think we LIKE it? All of this is being done with emotions run amuck over a lost child - do you people not think that some of OUR children are on those memorials? I have an Uncle on that Wall and his Gold Star Mother would have NEVER disrespected him the way Casey is being disrespected now. We're only going to be there to guard OUR children - see ya at Panel 19.

My name is Kimberly Green
LCPL/USMC/6541 1984-1988

Agreement

Eaglestrikes — 10:09 AM Feb 24, 2007

I am in total agreement with Snakeman.
As for this idiot.
"I'll be at the Wall. You want to talk smack to Cindy you are talking smack to me. "F" You primitve neanderthal hillbilly trailor trash. Go eat your turkey pot pie and fall off your little mopeds. I served in the United States Marine Corps and earned my stripes. You are nothing but spineless jackass cowards. Go ride your mopeds, cheerleaders. And don't forget your skirts."
You misspoke. You meant Merchant Marine. Pink Flotilla.
You bluster son, you have no sand. I will talk 'SMACK' to you.

Caps make you tough?

Old Fart — 10:10 AM Feb 24, 2007

REPLY TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SLANDER CINDY:

YOU ARE VILE AND VERBALLY ABUSIVE. RATHER THAN INSULT CINDY, YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN PRO-WAR BLOG,("Free Speech", when YOU are speaking, right?) OR BETTER YET, GO TO IRAQ, (Viet Nam Vet, too old) SINCE YOU'RE ALL SUCH EXPERTS. BOBF: HOW CAN YOU CLAIM TO BE AN EXPERT IN KNOWING THE PSYCHOLOGY OF SOMEONE WHOM YOU'VE NEVER EVEN MET, YET YOU BOLDLY PROCLAIM THAT THE MOTHER WHO KNOWS HIM BETTER THAN ANYONE IS WRONG. YOU COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THIS UNLESS YOU EVER GAVE BIRTH AND DEEPLY BONDED WITH YOUR CHILD. (single MALE parent, raised child alone) JOE: YOU''RE ABUSIVE, MAN. YOU DARE STATE THAT CINDY LIVES OFF HER SON'S HONOR. THAT IS VILE. APOLOGIZE.
(explain to me just exactly what she would be if she wasn't capitalizing on being a "Gold Star Mother") YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW HOW TO TREAT CINDY, AND I'M SURE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO TREAT YOUR OWN MOTHERS.(my 87 year old mother might disagree with you) YOU SHOULD ALL FEEL HUMBLED THAT DESPITE YOUR RUDENESS TOWARDS HER ON HER BLOG, CINDY NEVER KICKED YOUR REMARKS OFF.(bold faced Lie) SHE'S NICE, EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE MEAN, CALLOUS AND MISGUIDED. MARINE84; DARE CALL ONE OF YOUR EQUALS A DISGRACE. QUIT PICKING ON A HUMANITARIAN WHO IS A BRILLIANT WOMAN AND A SUPERB WRITER.(you'e GOT to be kidding) YOU PRESENT YOURSELF AS A MACHO COWARD WHO PICKS ON OTHERS FROM A SAFE DISTANCE.(I din't see YOUR NAME here anywhere?)
ALL OF YOU ARE ABUSING YOUR ANONYIMITY TO WRITE HURTFUL AND SADISTIC COMMENTS, KNOWING FULLY WELL THAT NO ONE CAN GET YOU BACK THROUGH THE COMPUTER SCREEN.(I thought you were all a bunch of "Peace Lovers"?) CINDY, ON THE OTHER HAND, DOES NOT HIDE; YOU ARE VERBALLY ATTACKING AN UNARMED AND NOBLE AMERICAN, WHO IS RIGHT UP THERE IN THE FRONT-LINE, DEFENDING HER COUNTRY. SHE'S SO OPEN AND TO YOU, SHE'S AN EASY TARGET. (she made herself a "Media Figure" much like the President has but bashing him doesn't seem to bother you, does it?"
IT IS A PATHETIC OBSERVATION ON THE INTELLIGENCE OF MANKIND THAT SO MANY OF YOU UTILIZE SOMEONE ELSE'S BLOG TO HURT THAT PERSON. THIS IS LIKE BITING THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU.(I don't see "Liberal Cheering Section, others need not post" written on the top of the page?) I DOUBT YOU UNDERSTAND ANYTHING I'VE WRITTEN SO FAR.
(your "Agenda" is perfectly clear)
FRANK: YOU DO NOT EVEN DISPLAY THE MATURITY LEVEL OF A FIRST-GRADER. A FIRST-GRADER KNOWS ENOUGH TO SPEAK WITH RESPECT TOWARDS OTHERS.(but you think organizing an anti-war protest near the Viet Nam Wall shows "respect" for our fallen soldiers, right?)
I HOPE THAT ONE DAY, SLANDEROUS STATEMENTS ARE DELETED, SO INTELLIGENT AND RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE NO LONGER HAVE TO RECEIVE INDIGNITIES ON THIS BLOG.
(I'm sure you do!, you prattle on about "Free Speech" except when YOU don't like it).

The Anti-War movement has owned the streets for over 30 years. The "Silent Majority" of Americans have sat back and gone about their lives in quiet disgust.
Well, you finally pushed the wrong button, YOU are NOT the majority in this country as you are soon to discover on Mar. 17. We don't have George Soros' bankroll, Code Pink, Move On .org and others to back us up, we will be financing our protest against YOU individually, as it should be.
DJH

Outstandingly stated...Betty, Diane, Snakeman, James, Tony!

Smitty — 10:40 AM Feb 24, 2007

Balls..man, isn't easy to make statements when those that you are refering to..you can't see! And they can't reach out and grab you. Your safe at your computer, so go on and say anything you want, it is your right..compliments of all the veterans!
Now down to business....You made the statement that you bet 99% of those vets posting are wannabes. I am here to tell you that there maybe a few, but I personally know for a fact that several that are posting are 100% Marine Corps in-country Vietnam Vets! How do I know? Because I personally know several of these men and others are from a Marine Grunt Vietnam Vet website. These are the men you want on your side when trouble comes your way! Believe me! You also made the statement that they wouldn't give their real names...is 'BALLS' your real name? Below I give my real name.

William D. Smith
USMC '63-'67
Vietnam '65-'66

HEY "BALLS" !

USMC GRUNT — 10:58 AM Feb 24, 2007

Grow a PAIR and join the Boy Scouts! Oh, I'm sorry, are you old enough? If you are, Grow 'em and I'll be at Panel 42E..come on down and call out 'Marine Grunt, I'm here to kick ass!'. I WILL COME FORWARD and see if you grew a set, BALLS!!

Hey ' D J H '

Marine Grunt, — 11:06 AM Feb 24, 2007

If you think Cindy telling the Vietnam Vets to,
and I Quote, "Go Masturbate somewhere else!" is an indication of such a nice and sweet individual, then what does that say about your morality? Give it some thought.

"BALLS" and "MARINE MIKE"

Snakeman — 11:46 AM Feb 24, 2007

Both of you Assholes make me sick. You're so stupid you don't even realize the shit storm you have stirred up, and are now in middle of. I'm right there with Smitty and Eaglestrikes. My best friend and BROTHER's name is on that wall. We grew up and joined the Marine Corps together. Wayne was Killed In Action in Phnom Pehn Cambodia on 9/21/71. That's right!! CAMBODIA! Trying to help Cambodians defend themselves form the Khmer Rouge. Remember what happened to them when we cut and run? I'll gladly post my name so that both of you worthless assholes know exactly who I am.

John Wilson
MSgt USMC (Ret)
USMC '63-'85
RVN '67-'68
Laos Apr-Sep '71
Cambodia Sep-Dec "71

Really dumb comments from really dumb people.

Eaglestikes — 11:49 AM Feb 24, 2007

That isn't the point
"Rita — 12:33 PM Feb 22, 2007
How many people talk about how bad it is in Bagdad on this site? They talk about how the soldiers shouldn't be there in the first place.
It is an ILLEGAL MILITARY INVASION!!!!!!
IT IS AN OCCUPATION!!!
YEEESH.
You wake up. It isn't Liberal media. I'm liberal and I think the media is too conservative. so if you think it is too liberal and I think it is too conservative... maybe it is actually kind of middle of the road... which means totally ineffectual.
I am a patriot. Stop saying I'm not. Just because I have a different view of the world than you. And I love the troops and want them to return, with all their limbs and with there emotions in tact.
Kevin... You went to Iraq? where? why? when?
All of us support the troops."

The War is now, and was then, legal. You cannot show where it was illegal, then, or now. You can only be shrill and proclaim it. That is a garbage statement and a trash attitude.
It is an occuaption. No war ever ended without one so what's your point? Dippy statement.
You continue to sleep it is better that you do. Reality is too painfull for you. The Media is generally Liberal. Liberals do not recognize truth so your failure to recognize the Liberal slant is not surprising.
You are not a Patriot, you are a Liberal with a Liberal belief system that days 'America' is always wrong and the 'Liberal' pont of view is always 'right'. (Pun intended.)
You do not love the troops, you despise them. You want them home so that your point of view is vindicated, and observed, and 'only' your view, no other.
Where Kevin served is none of your business.

Equality and the Constitution

Alligator — 11:53 AM Feb 24, 2007

Ever one of us VietNam Vets you insult has a Mom and to each and every one they would not have brought dishonor on any of us as did SINdee. As for Viet vet from yesterday...why wasn't my post put up? Ya'll don't believe in free speech nor freedoms that were provided you by ALL Combat Vets....all ya'll are a sinful, ignorant bunch

Lonely, and the Demons Come At Night

snakeman — 05:35 PM Feb 24, 2007

Cindy, Rita, Balls, marine mike, and the rest of you scum buckets. Where are you?? I'm lonely, vile, disrespectful of cindy's supposed motherhood, although I respect her son Casey's commitment to his country, and his Brothers. And yes cindy, I can use his name. And I do it respectfully. The vast majority of you wouldn't make a pimple on a half-assed hippies nose. The better part of every one of you dribbled down your mothers leg, when your daddy pulled out. cindy. Give some thought to a makeover. I've seen 100 year old adobe walls better maintained than you are. Rita, how much do you weigh. Bet your fat ass is snortin' cheap chocolate somewhere. Do you run around the May pole during soltice ( or whatever you pagans do ). And for all you Jesus freaks out there that want to inbreed, because of some control/self-image. God does not love you for being a self-appointed judge of mankind. As a matter of fact, he/she, doesn't even like your stupid ass. I hope you dream of me tonight. I am the VILE one. Sweet dreams.. I'm your worst nightmare. Think of slimely, wet, slithering things in the dead on night. That be me.

THE GATHERING OF EAGLES

JIM RINGLAND — 05:46 PM Feb 24, 2007

FWIW, I FIND THE LIKES OF SHEEHAN AND FONDA, THE SCURGE OF THE EARTH. FURTHERMORE, AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, THEIR DEATHS WOULDN'T AMOUNT TO A HILL OF BEANS NOR A PILE OF COW DUNG.

SPEAKING AS A RETIRED SPECIAL FORCES/SPECIAL OPERATIONS FIRST SERGEANT-1950-1976, I WOULD ENJOY SEEING THESE IRRESPONSIBLE, ILL MANNERED, DOUCHE BAGS, ALL BE DEPLOYED TO A COMBAT ZONE, TO ACT AS SPEED BUMPS FOR OUR ADVANCING TROOPS.

THEY FAIL TO UNDERSTAND THAT, IF IT WASN'T FOR THE MILITARY WARRIORS, THEY WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY, IF AT ALL, BUT NOT AS FREE WILLED INDIVIDUALS. GRANTED, WE FIGHT AND DIE, IN ORDER TO GIVE THESE UNGRATEFUL SHIT FOR BRAINS PEOPLE THEIR RIGHT TO PROTEST. TOO BAD IT WASN'T LEGALLY "OPEN SEASON" ON SUCH PROTESTORS.

I CAN JUST HEAR SHEEHAN'S SON, MOANING AND GROANING, AS HE ROLLS OVER IN HIS GRAVE, CUSSING OUT HIS OWN MOTHER, JUST AS SHE HAS SOLD OUT HIS SACRIFICE.

KEEP ONE THING IN MIND CINDY: "IF YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM." HOWEVER, I MIGHT ADD ONE MORE LINE HERE, AND THAT IS: "YOU ARE THE PROBLEM," NOT THE GOVERNMENT, NOT THE PRESIDENT, AND NOT THOSE WHO ARE FIGHTING THE TERRORIST. IF WE LEAVE THE FIGHT AGAINST TERRORISM, IN THE 'SAND BOX' WE WILL BE FIGHTING THE SAME FIGHT HERE IN THE STATES.

THE UNITED STATES HAS NOT HAD A GUNFIGHT ON OUR SOIL, SINCE THE CIVIL WAR. I GUESS IT MIGHT BE ABOUT TIME, JUST TO SHUT YOU DOUCHE BAGS DOWN, AND MAKE YOU PICK UP A WEAPON TO DEFEND OUR COUNTRY.................RINGO SENDS

Marine Grunt

Old Fart — 07:24 PM Feb 24, 2007

"Bro" If I had a clue what you were referring to, I'd be happy to respond?
If Cindy doesn't like what REAL Vets have to say here, she has the "Right" (that so many of our brothers on "The Wall" died to preserve), to respond.
Where did you find that "masturbation" remark?, I'd like to see what else she had to say
DJH

My comments

Old Fart — 07:28 PM Feb 24, 2007

Just for the record, in that long post above MY COMMENTS are the ones inside the (....), not all that krap in capitals.
DJH

balls????????

Gladheateher — 08:39 PM Feb 24, 2007

i think that balls was posing a wake up call to the
left -- at least the way read here.. and if you know
or have worked with women nam vets what he said is correct and looks like a reprint from their VWV site..

Gladheateher ( Lets Rumble)

Hanoi Jane Sucks

SSurpression of the Truth — 05:11 AM Feb 25, 2007

This is why the commies march on the pentagon. they want to destroy your rights undercover of these marches, so they can do things like this to you.. like their "hero's" treat (torture) their own and comit genocide - wherein the victim can scream but no one hears.. and if you let them this will be coming to a neighborhood hear you real soon..

Just one example..

(6) A pair of Washington Times editorials (April 14 and 15) note:

"For the last twelve years, CNN has provided the West with the dominant news image of Saddam's Iraq. But, now we know... The propaganda flowed like wine. CNN was running a straight propaganda-for-profits deal with Saddam. Until CNN brings in honest news executives, no prudent viewer should trust CNN's current and future reporting from other foreign capitals."

"Former CNN Baghdad correspondent Peter Collins makes a strong case that Mr. Jordan is lying when he denies that ensuring access was a motive for CNN's shading of the truth on Iraq... Collins adds that, the following day, when he factually reported that Iraqi charges that American war planes were bombing "innocent Iraqi farmers" were false (it turned out that the "farm" in question was most likely a location for Iraqi missile batteries), CNN correspondent Brent Sadler rebuked him."

Miz Cindy

David M Cunningham — 07:53 AM Feb 25, 2007

You have the right to your beliefs, and the right to speak them! That is from the constitution!............what you don't know is I too have the right to speak...........I feel sorry for your son who died, I do not feel sorry for you. He was a brother in arms, I spent 12 yr's of my life willingly defending MY country! What have you done for it???????????? You blatentetly disregard MY Commander and Cheif, and get your face plastered in the paper and the news, all for the sake of noteriety! IF it is so BAD here, try living somewhere else, like maybe North Korea or Veitnam. I believe it would be quite a learning experience for you. I love my country, and am teaching my grandchildren that same devotion. I leave my e-mail address should you care to respond. dcunningham@satx.rr.com. I do not hide nor do I ask the news to proclaim my beliefs.

March 17 Protest

Mark King — 09:49 AM Feb 25, 2007

I will be there on March 17 in Washington DC to support Cindy and protest this terrible Iraq Occupation. If any of these right wing idiots try to hurt her they will have to come thru me first. These Republicans make me sick. It is absolutely shameful what they are doing to my country.

Our Country

Sgt. Jerry DeLong — 09:57 AM Feb 25, 2007

I'm a Marine Combat Vet, I believe That If you don't Defend your Country then you should leave.

— 11:39 AM Feb 25, 2007

To Mark King

Marine 99 — 12:06 PM Feb 25, 2007

Mark, I will Take delight in going through you if I have to. Big and bad on the computer are you, Marky-Mark? Panel 46E at the WALL March 17, Bad Ass! You Talk The Talk(on the puter!), now Walk The Walk to Panel 46E, Mama's boy!

Tom Hawks
Sgt. USMC

Re Mark 17 March Protest.

Hotel One Niner — 12:15 PM Feb 25, 2007

Mark.. I don't think any Viet Nam Vet has any plans to go near cindi shehan. Just the opposite. We don't want OUR WALL used or tainted by her or your kind. You can stroll your happy ass up and down Penn. Ave all you want. We simply DON'T CARE! However, IF protestors choose to use OUR WALL as a protest symbol, Then you have crossed the LINE IN THE SAND! As far as going through YOU first? HA!! Don't flatter your ass. I've been a Marine for over 44 years, and there are thousands like me out there willing and able to defend that WALL. It's SACRED GROUND! Don't violate it. Be respectful, and keep your distance.

To the Protest Movement

Tom Lawson — 12:21 PM Feb 25, 2007

Please stop this crazy protest now! You are doing exactly what the communist and muslim radicals WANT you to do. You are falling right into their trap!. Be real Patriots and support you country. Hasn't Jane Fonda huet this country enough. Please wake up before it is TOO LATE and we are sarving a muslim ruler!
Tom

Mark King

Dandy Dan — 12:39 PM Feb 25, 2007

Don't worry, Pal. You can have SIN-DEE all to yourself. We vets have no intention of 'going after Sin-Dee'. We are there to protect Sacred Ground. Stay on the opposite side fron Yhe Wall and we will be there with Our Wall. But please beware...don't go there with intentions of doing any damage at the Wall. God help your soul if you do! Going through will not be anything to worry about as long as you stay where you belong and we will be where we belong..at The Wall. I've had to go through some tough situations in life, so I don't care for just another CAKEWALK where you are concerned. Oh, since you are 'peaceful', you certainly want to portray yourself as a badazz. Sad..your computer is your 'wall'. Enjoy your walk.

Dan Mountain
USMC

TO OLD FART: Masturbation remark by Cindy Sheedan

— 12:56 PM Feb 25, 2007

Old Fart, Start at the top of this blog and come down and you will find her remarks as follows:

Filth spewing rightests
Cindy Sheehan — 12:24 AM Feb 13, 2007
Hey Everybody
Thanks for all of the support from you thinking people who love liberty.
The filth spewing rightests who post comments here are desperate because their god, Bloody George, is clearly a piece of filth murderer and their war (that they are way too cowardly to fight) is clearly illegal and immoral, so the only thing they have to rely on is filth and lies.
They can't tell us where Saddam's WMD are, because he had none. They can't tell us where the connection to 9-11 and Saddam is, because therr was none. They want to think that Casey "believed" in the filth in Iraq because they are filthy war mongers and they want to think just because Casey wanted to afford college that he was one too.

There is no place for filthy war supporters on this blog. Go masturbate somewhere else. Go get a permit to spew your filth somewhere else.

It's not your wall...it's our wall.

We will be there because we are not afraid of filth spewing morons.

We will be there because we don't want anyone else to die. We are not fooling ourselves thinking that the soldiers over there want to be there...because we know they don't

We will be there because we know that the Iraqis don't want to be killed by the hundreds of thousands for Bloody George.

We will be there because Bloody George is out of control and spewing more filth.

You rightests will be there because you are freedom hating cowards. You rightests will be there because you want 58,000 names on an Iraqi War Memorial.

You rightests will be there because you want to prove how weak America is by invading small, weak countries and getting its ass kicked.

You will be there because you are bullies like your draft dodging filthy leaders, Dick and George.

We are not afraid of you. We will be peaceful if there is any trouble it will be from you.

Peace &#38;#38; Love
Cindy

So there you are. Real sweet lady, huh?

stop the war in iraq

john loftus — 01:19 PM Feb 25, 2007

i believe we are fighting a war that can;t be won.i;am a veteran of the viet nam war.i saw what that war did to our country.and to alot of young americans, who thought they were doing the right thing.only to find out that the viet nam war was all about money and natural resources.the iraq war is the same damn thing all over again.i hate jane fonda,because of her going over and sitting on the guns used to kill our young men and women who only thought that they were doing the right thing at the time.but on the other hand, we just like the young men and women of today are also being lied to about this damn war in iraq.it;s all about money and what the powerful and rich can get out of it.at the expense of our young men and women.i;am against the war in iraq.we need to bring our troops home.bush should impeached.and we need to stay the hell out of other peoples business.our young men and women are being told the war is for justice to prevail through out the world.what a damn lie.sounds like the clock has been turned around about 35 yrs.i;am hearing the same damn lies i heard when i served my country during the viet nam war.we need to respect the wall and the veterans that served with honor.but at the same time we also need to stand up for what is right.and that is to stop a war that we have no business being in.when this is all over. you will see that this war in iraq was all in vain.the lies will come out that we never should of been over there in the first place. my god it;s just like the viet nam war all over again. and bush is the worse president that we ever had

To Sindy Shee-hand

Major Bill Donahue USMC Ret — 01:40 PM Feb 25, 2007

Ms Sheehand,
You dishonor the memory of your son. He volunteered to serve our nation and gave his life for it. I do not doubt for a moment that he would spit on you, his own mother, for what you've been doing..."in his name"...all for the singluar purpose to get YOUR name "in the lights".
I find you to be despicable and a traitor to your own son's life. When your life is over, what will you be remembered for? Certainly not as a true patriot. Certainly not as a mother whose own son fought against the very thing you've become. Certainly not for supporting those who, like your own son, have devoted their lives to the defense of our nation.
You will be no more than a mere sentence (if that) in the history of mankind.
You are not worthy to even wipe the sand off the boots of our courageous men and women in uniform.

Cindy's Comments

Old Fart — 02:51 PM Feb 25, 2007

Thank You for re-posting this woman's remarks, she's a real piece of work.
She will have plenty of REAL women to speak like that to, from the looks of things.
http://www.moveamericaforward.com/
"Move America Forward invites you to join us as we launch a national caravan from California (leaving on Thursday, March 8, 2007) to Washington, D.C. where we will join "The Gathering of Eagles" for a giant pro-troop rally on Saturday March 17, 2007."

Yup!, folks it's time to take OUR streets back from the "Mouthy Minority".
DJH

Old Fart

Old Fart — 06:43 PM Feb 25, 2007

Old Fart

Smitty — 06:55 PM Feb 25, 2007

Old Fart

Smitty — 06:56 PM Feb 25, 2007

You are the man!

In regards to the protest in Washington

Gloria Shuttleworth — 11:05 PM Feb 25, 2007

I wrote the below poem trying to feel what a soldier would feel if his mother protested the very things that he believed in fighting and dying for. Go Eagles, I'm behind you 100%. Defend the Wall at all costs. I have some friends whose names are on that wall also.


“ Mom I Volunteered “

Mom, I volunteered to go to war
Knowing that death could be standing at the door.
Joining the service was my own choice to make
It was the decision I chose to take.


It made me proud to fight for others to be free
For many before my time fought for me.
Mom, please open your eyes to see
The disgrace your bringing upon the memory of me.


Mom, I would gladly do it again
If it would mean bringing terrorism to an end.
If no one stood up or ever fought
Then all our freedoms would be lost.


Mom, before you go out to protest this war
Remember what your son died so proudly for.
Please don’t let my death be in vain
Because mother, of you I’d be ashamed.

Author: Gloria J. Shuttleworth
Copyright 2005

Protest March

Homer Hollon — 11:45 PM Feb 25, 2007

I to am a Vietnam Vet, 67/68/69-72/73. SinDee, I was there in 2005 for your "peace march". Your people tried to stain The Wall with your placards and protest. Funny, it NEVER HAPPENED ! I was proud and honored to be part of the group of Bro's there then. TetVet, good to see you Bro. Sindee, stay on your side of the street, or stand down on the corner. The smell of your group will be enough.

Homer Hollon
surfrider545
US Army Vet
VIETNAM VET 2 tours

Go Eagles

Jerry Bowerman — 11:48 PM Feb 25, 2007

I'm a Viet Nam Vet and calling me a "Rightest America Haters) just makes me stand with the Eagles, not peolpe that take Freedom for granted!!

The Taste Of Freedom (courtesy of the Hanoi Hotel) and website copywriting

Roberta Victor — 12:56 AM Feb 26, 2007

First, may I humbly offer my heartfelt compassion to all of the Gold Star Mothers who participate here. I cannot begin to imagine your grief and anger and anquish. I will not pretend to try.

Please have your webmaster spell America correctly in the subheading of this page... then you might be taken seriously.

For your convenience: I copy/paste the subheading text here:
Rightest Amerca Haters
Cindy Sheehan
Now, I will spell it correctly here for you: A m e r i c a.

Now, for the heart of the matter:

General Chappy James USN, deceased is credited with saying this. I am sure it has been said before and will be said again...

"No one hates war more than the warrior!"
Absolutely, inimitably, utterly no one.

I respect your privilege to speak your heart and mind. It is not the rumors that some of your protest group is planning to deface The Wall... that bothers me and is totally within the realm of possibility... It is rather the Hanoi Jane kind of blasphemous disrespect for our Armed Forces and Veterans that concerns me. The Wall is a sacred place... a very sacred place. I do not want even the sound waves of the slightest whisper of hate and disrespect to disturb the sanctity and honor at The Wall. I will be there March 17 with the Gathering of Eagles to stand in our silent watch at The Wall.

If you can read this, thank a teacher
(but you really need to polish your spelling)
If you can read this in ENGLISH, thank a member of our Armed Forces and while you are at it...
THANK A VETERAN!

And... while you are screaming vituperative and vitriolic hate (now that is peaceful isn't it???) at our Armed Forces who are in harm's way at this very moment so you have the privilege and freedom to do just that... and our Veterans... NEVER NEVER NEVER FORGET THIS:

"It is the soldier, not the reporter,
Who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet,
Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier,
Not the campus organizer,
Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier,
Who salutes the flag,
Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protestor to burn the flag."
~Father Denis Edward O'Brien, USMC

And the very heart of the heart of this matter:

Inscribed by an American soldier on the wall of a POW Confinement Cell in Hanoi are these words. Take these words to heart. This is the only reason you are privileged to convene at The Wall March 17. The ONLY reason:

For those who have fought and died for it, Freedom has a taste that the protected will never know.

Roberta L. Victor
Gathering Of Eagles Volunteer

Yet another website spell check

Roberta Victor — 01:02 AM Feb 26, 2007

Copy/pasting text directly from your website:
Rightest Amerca Haters
That would be 'Rightist' I believe.
If you are going to BE one...
You ought to at least spell it correctly.

Roberta L. Victor

AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY = TREASON

WBVMCSPOOK — 07:29 AM Feb 26, 2007

Cincy your partner in Crime Jane Fonda with the help of the left wing media and other Vietnam protesters were maily responsible for approxinately half of the 58,000 names on the wall. After our vicories on the barttlefied\ld during TET of '68 North Vietnamese General Giap was ready to sue for peace. (READ HIS BOOK) We had decimated the ranks of the Viet Cong as well a a good part of the NVA forces in the South during those battles. However, when the press distorted the facts ad declared Tet a defeat had he saw the anti-war movement gathering strength he decided to continue sending NVA forces south.
Therefore the blood of the partiots that was spilled after about June of 1968 laes soley on the hands of the Leftest (COMMIE PINKO), Anti-War demonstrators.

As for your contention that White Phosphorous is a weapon of mass destruction you have your head up your rectal cavity. White Phosporous is an effective defensive tool primarily used to qeull enemy attacks with overwhelming forces. Agent Orange was not designed as a weapon of mass destruction but rather a tool to deny the enemy the cover of dense jungle vegatation. The long term effecrts were unknown and as a resuly many of us to include me have seen the result of the gift that keeps on giving.

That being said I wonder how you and the rest of the female members of the antiwar left would look in Burkas. In your case it would be a definate improvement. If the radical moslems have their way you would be wearing them and we would be living under Shira Law. You sure wouldn't be demonstrating then.

As for the Iraq Veterans Against the War they are no better than the Vietnam Veterans Against The War of my time. They are Traitors (Giving Aid and Comfort to the enemy) as were John Kerry ahd his ilk. They are breaking the faith with their brothers in arms.

Cindy Shehag and her merry band of useful idiots

ViperAsh50 — 10:04 AM Feb 26, 2007

America is a horrible place...yes we find mass graves all over the country, we throw people in jail for disagreeing with our dictators, oh we are so bad. People disappear just for disagreeing with our President...how they haven't gotten to you Shehag and your partner Hanoi/Jihad Jane I will never know...you just don't get it do you?

America is a country where people fight to get in and even sneak in to have a better life where REAL Freedom exists. You use these freedoms to try to bring down the greatest nation on this planet....seriously if it is so bad here, why not move to Venezuela or Cuba with your good buddies, Hugo and Fidel.

You and the rest of those who demonstrate and those in Government who are trying to force our country to lose this war against despots, dictators and religious fanatics are going to feel a backlash like this country has never seen before...be proud Shehag you are a traitor to your own sons memory.

God Bless our troops in harms way and the USA!
Viper

Made in the USA: Spoiled brats

Casey Sheehan — 10:09 AM Feb 26, 2007

The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right? The same magazine that employs Michael (Qurans in the toilets at Gitmo) Isikoff. Here I promised myself this week I would be nice and I start off in this way. Oh what a mean man I am.

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the president. In essence 2/3s of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.

So being the knuckle dragger I am, I starting thinking, ''What we are so unhappy about?''

s it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter? Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job? Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state? Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter? I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all involved. Whether you are rich or poor they treat your wounds and even, if necessary, send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.

Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home, you may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of having a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes; an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own cell phones and computers.

How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world? Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.

Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.

I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled brats safe from terrorist attacks? The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me?

Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go. They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.

So why then the flat out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells. Just ask why they are going to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book and do a TV special about how he didn't kill his wife but if he did … insane!

Stop buying the negative venom you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad.

I close with one of my favorite quotes from B.C. Forbes in 1953:

''What have Americans to be thankful for? More than any other people on the earth, we enjoy complete religious freedom, political freedom, social freedom. Our liberties are sacredly safeguarded by the Constitution of the United States, 'the most wonderful work ever struck off at a given time by the brain and purpose of man.' Yes, we Americans of today have been bequeathed a noble heritage. Let us pray that we may hand it down unsullied to our children and theirs.''

I suggest this Thanksgiving we sit back and count our blessings for all we have. If we don't, what we have will be taken away. Then we will have to explain to future generations why we squandered such blessing and abundance. If we are not careful this generation will be known as the ''greediest and most ungrateful generation.'' A far cry from the proud Americans of the ''greatest generation'' who left us an untarnished legacy.

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marty — 11:46 AM Feb 26, 2007

you just post libs

Real Americans

Magali L.M. Axson — 03:56 PM Feb 26, 2007

A United States Marine was attending some college courses between
assignments. He had completed missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of
the courses had a professor who was an avowed atheist and a member of
the ACLU.

One day the professor shocked the class when he came in. He looked to
the ceiling and flatly stated, "God, if you are real, then I want you
to knock me off this platform. I'll give you exactly 15 minutes." The
lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes went
by and the professor proclaimed, "Here I am God. I'm still waiting."

It got down to the last couple of minutes when the Marine got out of
his Chair, went up to the professor, and cold-cocked him; knocking him
off the platform. The professor was out cold.

The Marine went back to his seat and sat there, silently. The other
students were shocked and stunned and sat there looking on in silence.

The professor eventually came to, noticeably shaken, looked at the
Marine and asked, "What the hell is the matter with you? Why did you
do that?"

The Marine calmly replied, "God was too busy today protecting
America's soldiers who are protecting your right to say stupid shit
and act like an asshole. So, He sent me."

THIS IS GOOD, KEEP IT GOING



Magali L.M. Axson
BellSouth Telecommunications
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Wake Up Call

Roberta L. Victor — 07:55 AM Feb 27, 2007

This is very informative. You have to read the catalog of events in this brief piece. Then, ask yourself how anyone can take the position that all we have to do is bring our troops home from Iraq, sit back, reset the snooze alarm, go back to sleep, and no one will ever bother us again. In case you missed it, World War III began in November 1979... that alarm has been ringing for years

US Navy Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air Station, Pensacola, Florida. Here is a copy of the speech he gave last month (February 2003) It is an accurate account of why we are in so much trouble today and why this action is so necessary.

http://www.crowleypostsignal.com/The.MAN.PureandSimple.html

AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE-UP
By U. S. Navy Captain Ouimette

That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed -AD) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.

It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 25 years.

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism.

America's military had been decimated and down sized/right sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more.

Then just six short months later in 1983 a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.

Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber.

The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.

Then in August 1985 a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked.

Fifty-nine days later in 1985 a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.

The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259.

Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.

The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder.

The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again.

Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.

A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively.

They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.. These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from very high officials in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979.

I think we have been in a war for the past 25 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough. America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever.. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "... it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.

This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to come.

If you believe in this please forward it to as many people as you can especially to the young people and all those who dozed off in history class and who seem so quick to protest such a necessary military action. If you don't believe it, just delete it and go back to sleep.

Roberta Victor
If you can read this, thank a Teacher
If you can read this in English, thank a Veteran

Ms. Sheehan's comments on First Amendment

Doyle Sanders — 03:58 PM Feb 27, 2007

Ms. Sheehan apparently cannot read English, the First Ammendment states that the "Congress shall make no law..." it says nothing about any right for her to be heard.

Secondly, just a note of correction here, but nowhere is it written, accept in the script of the movie Tora, Tora, Tora that Admiral Yamamoto said "... it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." The screen wrioter Randall Wallace of Pearl Harbor, admitted he took the lines from Tora,Tora,Tora and there is no proof anywhere that The Admiral ever uttered or wrote these words. The quote is not in any biography or novel ever written about the late Admiral.

Doyle Sanders
GySgt USMC (Ret.)

TO LAW-ENFORCEMENT/LOCAL POLITICIANS

Larry Lee — 08:10 PM Feb 27, 2007

My Brothers

John Wilson — 08:38 PM Feb 27, 2007

My brother, SgtMajor Robert L. Wilson (SF) USA, Father-In-Law LtCol Corsine Kayanan, USA, Brother-In-Law LtCol Daniel Kayanan (SF) USA, and numerous blood relatives of mine have been buried with military honors at Arlington. Please Do Not disrepect them. They gave their all, so that you would have the right to voice your opinion. The Viet Nam Veterans Wall is SACRED GROUND. DO NOT VIOLATE IT! DO NOT DISRESPECT IT! If you choose to do so, you will do so at your own risk.

I think we have a right to be concerned

Old Fart — 02:07 PM Feb 28, 2007

Disgracing the memories of American heroes

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Posted: February 23, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Melanie Morgan
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© 2007
The most unseemly members of the anti-war contingent have showed us their colors by dishonoring and disgracing war memorials all across the continent.

On Saturday, March 17, anti-war activists plan a giant march in protest of Operation Iraqi Freedom by gathering near the Vietnam Wall, and many veterans groups fear that the anti-American, anti-military ranks of ANSWER (who are organizing the anti-war event) might repeat their offensive behavior again.

You can understand why veterans groups are so nervous when you look at the recent rash of vandalism and desecration against our veterans and war memorials.

In a late January anti-war rally, a contingent of protesters broke off and spray painted the U.S. Capitol building and steps with anti-war and anarchist messages and slogans.

Anti-war protesters spray painted anti-Bush slogans and smashed glass panels at the Medal of Honor Monument in Indianapolis, Ind.

In Boise, Idaho, the son of a Democratic state senator was accused of vandalizing flagpoles and desecrating flags at the State Capitol. The flags are memorials to soldiers who lost their lives in the war on terror.

In Pennsylvania, someone attacked the South Connellsville War Memorial, destroying the lighting grid at the monument.

Another war memorial was desecrated in Vermont. A Vietnam memorial was vandalized in Chicago. The list just goes on and on.

Patriotic response to counter anti-war crowd

There's something that patriotic Americans – including YOU – can do to counter the negativity, defeatism and vandalism of the anti-war left.

On Saturday, March 17, veterans groups, pro-troop organizations and patriotic Americans will conduct their own event: The Gathering of Eagles. This event has been organized by some of the most decent and honorable people such as Vietnam veterans Col. Harry Riley and Capt. Larry Bailey.

It's time for those who support the men and women of the United States military to do something positive, uplifting and patriotic to send a message to our nation's leaders that we will not sit back and allow the missions of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to be undermined any further.

The nation's largest grass-roots pro-troop organization, Move America Forward (an organization for which I serve as chairman) will do its part by organizing a caravan of patriotic Americans to head across this nation. The caravan is called "These Colors Don't Run," and we will be conducting pro-troop rallies at our stops across the nation. At each stop we will ask participants to bring an American flag (or several American flags).

We will then erect a giant sea of flags – a sort of "Flag City" if you will – on the Capitol Mall in Washington, D.C., during the "Gathering of Eagles" rally.

We will then send each flag flown during this event to a serviceman or servicewoman who is stationed in Iraq or Afghanistan. With each flag will be a placard with a picture of the event and an explanation of how this event was conducted to show our troops that Americans still stand behind them and wish them success in their missions.

Please find the city closest to you that we will be traveling to, and find a way to join us. Team up with others in your area to form a "mini-caravan" that heads to one of our pro-troop rally stops and then merge with us as we continue on the trek to Washington, D.C. The caravan route map and schedule can be found online at the Move America Forward website.

Parents who have a son or daughter serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, veterans of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom, as well as the parents of troops who were killed in either Iraq or Afghanistan will lead the caravan.

These people are some of the finest, most decent Americans you will ever meet. They want to meet as many people as possible at these rally stops across the nation. So please, do whatever you can to make this event a success. Get out to the rally locations, join the caravan (and decorate your car red, white and blue if possible), and be sure to bring a flag or multiple flags to our rally stops. We'll display them proudly in Washington, D.C., and then make sure they get sent over to the heroic men and women serving on the frontlines in the war on terrorism.

The anti-war crowd has shown their true colors. They dishonor and degrade all that is great about America, and this nation's standing as the bastion of freedom and liberty.

Now it's time to show the rest of this nation and the world the "other" side of America – that which celebrates this nation and the men and women who defend us, and keep the torch of liberty alive shining brightly.


DJH

Fantasy outlook

BobK — 05:38 PM Feb 28, 2007

DJH opines: "The anti-war crowd has shown their true colors. They dishonor and degrade all that is great about America, and this nation's standing as the bastion of freedom and liberty.

Now it's time to show the rest of this nation and the world the "other" side of America ? that which celebrates this nation and the men and women who defend us, and keep the torch of liberty alive shining brightly."

Yes - war is glorious and honorable. We've become the builder of the greatest weapons ever imagined. Meanwhile, those weapons are built with tools from foreign nations since we no longer have factories to produce such tools! Make sense? Sure! We're a glorified, self-righteous nation of mercenaries. And what a wonderful commerce that is, eh? Of course, just like the boondoggle wherein Iraq's oil was gonna PAY US for the money we've POURED onto it's sands (and ain't NEVER GONNA get paid back!) it's a bit of a losing enterprise.
No matter of course, China's got LOTS more money to lend us so's we can keep on fighting the "terrorists". Yeah, when we're all dead and gone - or surviving the anarchy of total civil meltdown when this delicate balance tumbles, we'll have our war memorials to snuggle up to for a sense of worth. Boy - it THAT a comforting thought!

Silly Cindy

muldrake — 10:02 PM Feb 28, 2007

Cindy and the nuts who are following her sound dangerously close to those people in the South who wanted to keep African Americans slaves.

You are pretty frightening!

http://home.comcast.net/~bfmuldrake/antiwarcelebrities.html

Silly muldrake

BobK — 01:10 PM Mar 01, 2007

Cindy and gang sound awfully much like the folks that eventually threw off the yoke of Imperialisim in what we call the Revolutionary War.
Of course, if you're in love with your militaristic fantasies, keep slandering Cindy et al. It's gotta be real comfy hiding behind the facade of war and taking potshots at those who dare to confront the demons in the Blight House.
More dead in Iraq today. Al Quida on the rebound where we first chased them. Dippity Dub playing a futile game of Whack-a-mole and selling our asses to the Chinese! Heh - imagine one day when it comes to light that the Chinese clandestinly financed Al Quida all along!

More than "The Wall"

halpin — 10:46 PM Mar 01, 2007

There is a whole lot more to this than "The Wall".
This is the first time in 30+ years that the so called "silent majority" has been flat fed up enough with the disgusting street rabble to organize and actually DO SOMETHING!
Sadly, it took the Vets to fire the first shot across the bow of the anti-war Left and demonstrate that these "Useful Idiots" are anti-American not anti-War but the general public has picked up the torch of freedom and joined us.
With a little luck, this will generate actions against the "Protesters" in other venues and small grass roots actions on local streets in small towns all over this great country, something that some of us have been trying to get organized for years!
It's high time WE The People demonstrated the FACT that these "Protesters" are a very noisy, destructive, MINORITY, the fact that they will generate national Press coverage any time the assemble is the ONLY thing they have going for them and it makes it look like there are many more of them than there actually are. They are well funded by rich Liberal causes and the fact is that they don't have a "Life", this is what they live for, the rest of us have jobs and families that must come first and it's a deep sacrifice to just pick up and go someplace to participate in something like this, something that a few of us who have an ear inside the media plan to make perfectly clear.
DJH

Libs make cases for wars, but won't support them

Rocky — 04:05 AM Mar 02, 2007

But then again, war is not the solution unless a Democrat is President, right? And by the way Cindy, who's the next tyrant you're going to defend at your Blame-America-and-the-Jews-for-Everything hippie meeting? Is it Castro, or Ahmadinejad, or even Mugabe? You pathetic, ungrateful bitch! Fewer people go to see Hanoi Jane and Baghdad Sean every year!

Hypocrite liberals

Rocky — 04:07 AM Mar 02, 2007

Where are your protests against suicide bombers and jihadists? Oh that's right. DemoKKKrats hate Jews!

Ostritch theorum

BobK — 03:39 PM Mar 02, 2007

See, if you stick your head in the sand (in the case of these irate, supposed patriots, you actually insert your head someplace else!), the truth can't set you free from your own, personal fantasizing wherein you live and breathe in a Rambo-esque world.

Rocks-in-the-head opines: "But then again, war is not the solution unless a Democrat is President, right"
Forgive me, soapstone, but weren't the Bush's responsible for the last two wars we've been through??? TWO WARS to defeat ONE tinhorn dictator! We win!
Suicide bombers - jihadists? We're protesting-protecting against them by stirring them to action where we have NO business (well - save for fattening American contractors pockets).
Certainly, if we don't have those nasties preoccupied "over there", they'll walk right across our southern borders (you know, the one's President Dunce signed a fence into law for).

How about we make the memorial wall a part of the border fence? That way, the loonies that are worried about protecting it's honor can double as border guards!

Liberal Hypocrites

Old Fart — 08:01 AM Mar 03, 2007

Posted: March 2, 2007
5:25 p.m. Eastern
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© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
George Soros

Billionaire George Soros has quietly invested $62 million in the purchase of more than 2 million shares of Halliburton, the major government contractor criticized by his own Open Society Institute and the activist group he funds, MoveOn.org.

The holdings were disclosed in a quarterly filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission by Soros Fund Management LLC.

Vice President Cheney is the former CEO of Halliburton.

As WND reported, another outspoken leftist who had criticized Halliburton was discovered to own stock in the company – filmmaker Michael Moore.

"I think people find that stuff funny – Michael Moore owns Halliburton stock," said Moore in a Nov. 23, 2005, speech carried by C-SPAN. "That's like a great comedy line. I know it's not true. I've never owned a share of stock in my life – anything. Did anyone see that a couple weeks ago? Somebody was yakking away. And I just thought, uh, that's funny, I guess. Anyone who knows me is not going to believe that. Who's going to believe that? Just crazy people are going to believe it."

There was just one problem with that denial, said Peter Schweizer, author of the best-seller book "Do As I Say (Not As I Do)." Tax returns of Moore's non-profit foundation – a non-profit foundation for which there are only two officers, Moore and his wife – showed ownership of 2,000 shares of Halliburton, the company most vilified by Moore in "Fahrenheit 9/11."

"The real question, however, is whether MoveOn.org, the Center for American Progress, and other organizations that have benefited from Soros' charity will see a problem with accepting money earned off Halliburton shares?" wrote Mike Boyer, editor of Foreign Policy magazine.



Liberal Hypocracy abounds, any Conservative who owns Haliburton stock is a "Warmonger, making money off the lives of our troops", Right Cindy?
What's wrong girl? getting a little too hot for you here?, haven't heard from you in a while?
Too tough having to explain your position rather than just posting your usual B.S.?

Absence

BobK — 02:49 PM Mar 03, 2007

Cindy's only ONE person. And unlike you, she's actively involved in trying to support the troops - that's "support" as in trying to save them from this administration's meat grinder.

supporting our troops!

BobK — 04:47 PM Mar 03, 2007

The Committee on Oversight and Government Reform has subpoenaed Maj. Gen. George Weightman, who was fired as head of Walter Reed Army Medical Center, after Army officials refused to allow him to testify before the committee Monday.

Read complete coverage of the Walter Reed controversy.

Committee Chairman Henry Waxman and subcommittee Chairman John Tierney asked Weightman to testify about an internal memo that showed privatization of services at Walter Reed could put “patient care services… at risk of mission failure.”

But Army officials refused to allow Weightman to appear before the committee after he was relieved of command.

“The Army was unable to provide a satisfactory explanation for the decision to prevent General Weightman from testifying,” committee members said in a statement today.

The committee wants to learn more about a letter written in September by Garrison Commander Peter Garibaldi to Weightman.

The memorandum “describes how the Army’s decision to privatize support services at Walter Reed Army Medical Center was causing an exodus of ‘highly skilled and experienced personnel,’” the committee’s letter states. “According to multiple sources, the decision to privatize support services at Walter Reed led to a precipitous drop in support personnel at Walter Reed.”

The letter said Walter Reed also awarded a five-year, $120-million contract to IAP Worldwide Services, which is run by Al Neffgen, a former senior Halliburton official.

They also found that more than 300 federal employees providing facilities management services at Walter Reed had drooped to fewer than 60 by Feb. 3, 2007, the day before IAP took over facilities management. IAP replaced the remaining 60 employees with only 50 private workers.

“The conditions that have been described at Walter Reed are disgraceful,” the letter states. “Part of our mission on the Oversight Committee is to investigate what led to the breakdown in services. It would be reprehensible if the deplorable conditions were caused or aggravated by an ideological commitment to privatize government services regardless of the costs to taxpayers and the consequences for wounded soldiers.”

The letter said the Defense Department “systemically” tried to replace federal workers at Walter Reed with private companies for facilities management, patient care and guard duty – a process that began in 2000.

“But the push to privatize support services there accelerated under President Bush’s ‘competitive sourcing’ initiative, which was launched in 2002,” the letter states.

During the year between awarding the contract to IAP and when the company started, “skilled government workers apparently began leaving Walter Reed in droves,” the letter states. “The memorandum also indicates that officials at the highest levels of Walter Reed and the U.S. Army Medical Command were informed about the dangers of privatization, but appeared to do little to prevent them.”

The memo signed by Garibaldi requests more federal employees because the hospital mission had grown “significantly” during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It states that medical command did not concur with their request for more people.

“Without favorable consideration of these requests,” Garibaldi wrote, “ Base Operations and patient care services are at risk of mission failure.”

Ain't it great?

BobK — 06:37 PM Mar 03, 2007

Reading the above shows just what this war's REALLY about. It's about corporate America's greed and the taxpayer's fleeceworthy coffers.
Yassir! this administration's got it's fighting forces as priority #1! All hail the chief! He and those who bought him his time in the Blight House are loving every minute they can keep this phony conflict pouring money into their bank accounts. All for the best that money can buy of course. This hospital debacle and the UNTOLD billions handed out to "contractors" is evidence of that! BILLIONS handed out to the needy Iraqis while families in our own country wait for LOANS to rebuild after natural disasters. New schools built in Iraq and Afghanistan while Dub's "No Child Left is any skin off my behind" program is toothless and fundless from the git-go!

Take heart though! One day they'll generously build a nice, shiny new memorial on the mall in DC to commemorate the "sacrafices" made fighting those shifting shadows called terrorists. The ones blown ALL out of proportion by the Right as a manuver to distract attention that they let 9/11 happen even tho they HAD CREDIBLE notice just a week or so before.
MAYBE - if they're really resourceful in designing this memorial, it'll offer some shelter for the crippled, homeless, jobless, healthcare-less veterans that'll be the shortchanged legacy of Chimpy's War.

Libs don't hate "draft-dodgers"

Rocky — 05:16 PM Mar 04, 2007

And you can tell by their support of Democrat 'war heroes' like Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Edwards, Harry Reid, Henry Waxman, Carl Levin, Sandy Berger, Bob Graham, Christopher Dodd, Howard Dean, Jay Rockefeller, Nancy Pelosi, etc.

What do they have in common? All have made a case for war, but neither of them served.

And Cindy, if you and your liberals are so anti-war, where were the protests during Kosovo, Somalia, Haiti, Operation Desert Fox, and Rwanda? Or, as I have said before, war is not the solution unless a Democrat is President?

Only libs slander veterans, Cindy

Rocky — 05:19 PM Mar 04, 2007

And they wonder why the military votes Republicans. Because it's Democrats who throw away military votes, slander soldiers, and call them "baby-killers."

And if you libs hate oil so much, stop supporting Hollywood celebrities with private jets and mansions, including Gore and Streisand!

clark

jim — 07:16 PM Mar 04, 2007

clark? if him and haoni jane are the best freinds you can come up with i feel for you.
clark would not make a pimple on a real general's butt

pimple?

clark — 07:53 PM Mar 04, 2007

Your comment qualifies you to be a pimple ..... on a rat's butt.

Rocky?

clark — 07:54 PM Mar 04, 2007

That makes reference to what's in your head, Right?

What propaganda

Antimedia — 09:14 PM Mar 07, 2007

Cindy asked, "I have never thrown paint on anything. I wonder which propaganda for profit news source these "Eagles" get their information from?"

That would be dcindymedia, you moron. http://dc.indymedia.org/mod/comments/display/147179/index.php

If you're going to claim to represent something, the least you can do is find out what you're representing.

Patriotic American's don't spray paint the Capitol Building. Patriotic Americans don't deface war memorials. Morons who haven't a clue what America really stands for do that.

This time, you won't be able to, because a wall of living veterans will be standing between you and your goal.

You can march, and you can screech, and you can lie about America all you want. You have the First Amendment right to do that. But you will NOT deface the wall. Not while there's a breath left in any of us veterans.

See you on the 17th.

International Law?

Eric Faulkner — 05:47 PM Mar 08, 2007

Cindy, what makes you think all internatinal law is constitutional? We're a sovereign nation. We are subject only to the laws created by our government and necessary to protect our own citizens. And how come these veterans can't stand quietly by to ensure no desecration to the monuments? Once again you prove that the only person whose freedom of speech you are concerned about it your own. Best of luck trying to carry out your America-hating lying about the military blaming everyone else for your problems march. I'm comforted to know that real patriots will be there to make sure you don't do anymore damage to this country. And FYI--unless your son's recruiter told him he'd never ever have to see combat for any reason under the sun, he didn't lie to him. Casey made a choice, and should be honored. Can't we do that, Cindy? Can't we honor him? He deserves it, but you simply won't let it happen. Too much money and fame to be had exploiting your grief, I guess.

NO DESECRATION!!! PERIOD!!!

ANDREW K DUNCAN — 05:49 PM Mar 08, 2007

Descration has never been a valid part of protest.
It is simply woefully wrong and blatantly criminal.
It is what barbarians do when they enter a civilized city.
It is merely 'exemplary' of the level of 'personal' and 'professional' 'development' that that subject 'person' has 'achieved', which is lower than whale feces.
It is symptomatic of a diseased ilk!!!

A Gathering!!!

ANDREW K DUNCAN — 06:03 PM Mar 08, 2007

A "Gathering of Eagles" was a movie starring Rock Hudson that I have been trying to find for years. It was about the SAC Bomber Command flying B-52s.
In reference to the person who mentioned something about a Nazi gathering--that was Iron Eagles under the swastika--NOT the BALD EAGLE under the UNITED STATES FLAG. I'm sure someone will be willing to loan you a dictionary, if you can't afford one, or maybe the encyclopedia in the library (United States Library)!!! PS. Desecration--correction.

Too bad you never thing about REAL "Gold Star Mothers"

Old Fart — 01:56 PM Mar 09, 2007

Lompoc Gold Star mother in Iraq to support troops
By Neil Nisperos/Staff Writer

Debra Argel Bastian and Todd Bastian are among a delegation of parents of U.S. military members killed in Iraq who arrived in the country Saturday to spread goodwill for troops deployed there.

“I want to carry a message of love, support and hope to our troops,” Argel Bastian said in a statement. “I want to know that despite the negative media and despite our loss, we are there for them with all of our hearts. I hope to take some pictures with some of the troops and send pictures and cards to their families when I get home. These cards will help their families know that someone cared to spend a little time with their soldier.”

No other such coordinated trip to Iraq by families of fallen troops has ever taken place, according to the Move America Forward group, which organized the visit.

Earlier this year, the Lompoc Gold Star mother got a $10,000 donation from Fox News host Sean Hannity toward travel expenses for the trip.

Argel Bastian is part of the Move America Forward organization, which she said is committed to supporting American service members fighting in the war.

Her son, Air Force Capt. Derek Argel, 28, a Lompoc native, was honored in burial services along with three other American servicemen and their Iraqi pilot on Aug. 11, 2005, at Arlington National Cemetery.

The men were killed in a plane crash May 30, 2005, northeast of Baghdad while on a mission to find and survey remote landing sites.

The delegation's trip is scheduled to last a few days, said Move America Forward spokesman Ray Young.

Nov. 5, 2006

Come take back the streets

Old Fart — 02:05 PM Mar 09, 2007

Fellow Americans:

Today was the first day of our historic day of the "These Colors Don't Run" national pro-troop caravan, and we are blown away by what an enormous success it has been.

Thursday morning began with news that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was leading an effort to call for a withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, along with cutting the funding to our troops serving in the mission.

But thousands of Americans sent a loud message back to Speaker Pelosi: THESE COLORS DON'T RUN.

From San Francisco to Lafayette to Vacaville to Sacramento to Stockton and Fresno our caravan traveled. Thousands of patriotic Americans showed up. News media flocked to the events - every network, every major newspaper, every News/Talk radio station.

News helicopters flew above filming the caravan as it progressed from one pro-troop rally to another. Local media went "live" during the rallies with Breaking News coverage. American Legion and Patriot Guard motorcycle riders escorted the caravan through California's busy highways. It has simply been an unbelievable day!!!

There are also a few photographs being posted by those who attended the events, like our good friends at Pipeline News. Read their report and see some pictures from our stop in Lafayette, California where we went to the site of an anti-war display to show America that there is ANOTHER SIDE to this debate. As Pipeline News reported: "Today's pro-troop display dwarfed all previous demonstrations at the location with over 300 in attendance, serving to metaphorically reclaim the hillside for those who support the war on terror and who want to win in Iraq."

We've now collected over 2,000 flags for our giant "Flag City" we will erect on Capitol Mall in Washington, D.C.

Coming up next are stops in Bakersfield, Los Angeles, San Diego and Palm Springs and then on to Arizona and Texas and places east! People have been coming out with flags on overpasses and along freeways on farm land - waving their flags and shouting their support. You have no idea how much this means to our military families and veterans who are the spokespersons for this effort.

We have much work to do, though. We need to build even greater momentum as we head on across the nation for Washington, D.C. and the big March 17th "Gathering of Eagles" event.

We will be posting updates to our website with more news, more pictures and more reports. PLEASE - help us ensure this effort only grows. Go check our caravan route schedule and spread the word about our upcoming rally stops. Be sure we have large, supportive crowds at each stop along the way. All the information you need can be found at our website:

http://www.moveamericaforward.org

DJH

ditherbrain Duncan

BobK — 03:15 PM Mar 09, 2007

You can talk about the SAC movie and you can define breeds of eagles all you want. In the 90s there was an event that brought many ex-Luftwaffe fighter pilots together for a seminar/conference/reminiscence. It was roundly promoted in the Aviation History world as a "Gathering of Eagles". Seems fitting that another group of proud militarists would choose the same title.

I find it laughable that all you "proud defenders" bristle at the thought of memorials being tarnished while at the same time proudly standing behind a regime that systematically and purposefully has cut and insulted the LIVING memorials to our wars - VETERANS!, this while you're fidgiting about some whitewash on black granite.
The granite and the folks whose names are carved thereupon feel NOTHING of the paint or patronization that might be heaped on it. What the HELL are you gonna do about a government that wastes your contrymen's lives to prove a point - or create a legacy for a bunch of wanna-be leaders - and yet EVER-SO-DISRESPECTFULLY forgets them once they're dead or wounded???
Ask yourself honestly - WHO IS your real enemy?

The next terrorist attack? It's gonna take place in November of 2008. It's when Dick and Dub try to hand off their act to another of their kind. I suggest you vote for whoever "their guy" is. That way you can be assured of 4 or maybe 8 more years of conflict and casket industry increase.

Wait.... are the dead soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan buried in American made caskets or do they get one made in China? If from China, I'm sure this regime is proud to get the savings. Proud that they won't have to fetch some more tax bucks from "their kind" to pay for burying the pawns they lost in their struggle to fill their pockets.

Gathering of eagles. Bald Eagles no less. Seems fitting. Where have you dolts been while this country has been driven into the ground by the GOP???
Go get in your Toyotas and Hyundais and go protect your precious wall. Maybe in another 20 years you can choose from an Iraqi-made vehicle to drive around in, like the Jap or Korean cars I mentioned. Since we're still in those two countries, certainly "victory" in Iraq will mean we'll be there for 60 years too - insuring they have a great economic revival and that they get the chance to sell us their products - good neighbors they will be!

Hey Cindy

ROBERT "CODY" — 11:16 PM Mar 09, 2007

Hey Cindy What Do You Say? How Many Kids Have You and Your Kind Killed Today?

USMC Nam Vet B. Co. 1st Blt. 3rd Mar. 1967 Quang Tri Vietnam, and no - Unlike Mr. John. Kerry I did not have a necklace of human ears around my neck

PS: Hey Hanoi Jane. It was my wife who hit you on the head with that rock back in the 70's when you and group were at the airport when our POW’s were getting off the plains as you and yours were booing them , calling them all sorts of names that I won't repeat here. That was a pay back for all those you killed through your actions.
That’s All Folks. See ya at the Wall
Robert Cody.

Mental gyant

BobK — 12:14 PM Mar 10, 2007

Cody, I've gotten off the "plains" once, but I had to take I-80 to do it.

Heh - go polish your rifle.

Double Talk

Old Fart — 10:25 PM Mar 10, 2007

I love listening to you Anti-War Hypocrites tell me how much you are concerned about by fellow Vets from on side of your mouth and spit Krap like this ("How about we make the memorial wall a part of the border fence? That way, the loonies that are worried about protecting it's honor can double as border guards") out of the other.

It was meant to sound looney.

BobK — 01:59 PM Mar 12, 2007

Such comments are meant to talk on a level you can comprehend. Since average comprehensiveness escapes you, I try provocative blather so as to be on the same "plain" with you. ;-)

Since you doubt MY concern for vets (and I never HAVE gotten any consideration for the infection I picked up at Bien Hoa), why not talk about the care and concern of the POTUS towards Vets. Cuts, cuts, cuts to vet's services and you wanna crow about protecting this warmonger's pursuits. Pursuits that body-bag or cripple more innocent "volunteers" every single day - for NOTHING.
Heh - your anger is off target. Bet you didn't score well on the rifle range. I scored Expert Marksman.

More Hypocracy from the Left.

Old Fart — 11:09 PM Mar 12, 2007

LIBERTY
“Last week, I wrote about the Gathering of Eagles (www.gatheringofeagles.org)—veterans, active-duty troops, bikers, activists and ordinary citizens coming to Washington, DC, on March 17 to hold a counter-protest against tens of thousands of anti-war extremists demanding immediate withdrawal of our troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. In Washington state this week, the peace brigade held a dress rehearsal at the Port of Tacoma—where they showed support for our troops by taunting the Stryker Brigade and local police guarding against obstruction of the convoys headed to Iraq. More than 300 Stryker vehicles and other equipment are being moved from Fort Lewis to Iraq in support of the 4th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division’s upcoming deployment as part of the ongoing ‘surge’ and counterinsurgency efforts. The Strykers are equipped with slat armor to protect the troops from rocket-propelled grenades. Yes, the same ilk that purport to care so much about the troops not having enough armor and protection stood and jeered at those deploying to bring more protection to their fellow soldiers in Iraq. Such patriots, aren’t they? Members of the anti-military mob shouted condescendingly at our volunteer soldiers rolling past them: ‘Free the troops!’ ‘No justice, no peace!’ ‘You don’t have to go!’... Such patriots, aren’t they?” —Michelle Malkin

Hey Bob, I was smart enough not to pick up any "infections" while I was at Tan Son Nhut.
I'm Air Force, we did the flying, we had Grunts to do the shooting.
DJH

A Soldier

ViperAsh — 11:29 PM Mar 12, 2007

Your alarm goes off, you hit the snooze and sleep for another 10 minutes.

He stays up for days on end.
_________________________

You take a warm shower to help you wake up.

He goes days or weeks without running water.
__________________________

You complain of a "headache", and call in sick.

He gets shot at as others are hit, and keeps moving forward.
__________________________

You put on your anti war/don't support the troops shirt, and go meet up with your friends.

He still fights for your right to wear that shirt.
__________________________

You make sure you're cell phone is in your pocket.

He clutches the cross hanging on his chain next to his dog tags.
__________________________

You talk trash about your "buddies" that aren't with you.

He knows he may not see some of his buddies again.
__________________________

You walk down the beach, staring at all the pretty girls.

He walks the streets, searching for insurgents and terrorists.
__________________________

You complain about how hot it is.

He wears his heavy gear, not daring to take off his helmet to wipe his brow.
__________________________

You go out to lunch, a nd complain because the restaurant got your order wrong.

He doesn't get to eat today.
__________________________

Your maid makes your bed and washes your clothes.

He wears the same things for weeks, but makes sure his weapons are clean.
__________________________

You go to the mall and get your hair redone.

He doesn't have time to brush his teeth today.
__________________________

You're angry because your class ran 5 minutes over.

He's told he will be held over an extra 2 months.
__________________________

You call your girlfriend and set a date for tonight.

He waits for the mail to see if there is a letter from home.
__________________________

You hug and kiss your girlfriend, like you do everyday.

He holds his letter close and smells his love's perfume.
__________________________

You roll your eyes as a baby cries.

He gets a letter with pictures of his new child, and wonders if they'll ever meet.
__________________________

You criticize your government, and say that war never solves anything.

He sees the innocent tortured and killed by their own people and remembers why he is fighting.
__________________________

You hear the jokes about the war, and make fun of men like him.

He hears the gunfire, bombs and screams of the wounded.
__________________________


You see only what the media wants you to see.

He sees the broken bodies lying around him.
__________________________

You are asked to go to the store by your parents. You don't.

He does exactly what he is told.
__________________________

You stay at home and watch TV.

He takes whatever time he is given to call, w rite home, sleep, and eat.
____________ ______________

You crawl into your soft bed, with down pillows, and get comfortable.

He crawls under a tank for shade and a 5 minute nap, only to be woken by gunfire.
__________________________

You sit there and judge him, saying the world is probably a worse place because of men like him.

If only there were more men like him!
_________________________

If you support your troops, re-send this to everyone you know.

If it gets to another veteran who hasn't received it yet, it will bring back memories.
_________________________

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you,
Jesus Christ and the American G. I.

One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
_________________________

jesus and soldiers

a friend — 09:10 AM Mar 13, 2007

neither died "for" us - they died "because" we of us. they died because we would not be the change needed to keep them from having to die.

no one can save us - not jesus or the soldiers. they can show us the door to change, which their fighting and dying has kept open. but if we do not walk through it and personally become people who respect others in spite of the fact that they think differently, if we cannot reach out and help those who aggressively disagree with when they need help, if we cannot find a common ground from which to live with those who do not believe as we do

then jesus and our soldiers will have died in vain.

we each are responsible for being the change in ourselves. all the talk, the name-calling, the disrespectful attempt to make others believe you are fighting for peace -- it's only dividing further.

if you can't be what you are preaching, then there's no point in preaching - what good is a teacher who doesn't understand the lessons they're trying to sell to others?

if you are what you are preaching, then you know that every person must learn for themselves - and the preaching will stop - and others will have the space to learn without being influenced by those who preach freedom of choice, but do not live by it in their actions.

no one here is giving anyone their right to choose -- no one -- and the constitution continues to be violated by a lack of respect for choice, for a right to privacy, for a right to peace.

Friend

BobK — 10:19 PM Mar 13, 2007

Your last sentence pretty well sums it up. War is being forced upon us by our OWN leaders. Oh sure! Bin Laden's gang flew a couple of planes into the twin towers - and our great leader set for 10 minutes dumfounded as to what to do. Some "leader"! I personally think he was thinking back about the briefings that this was gonna happen that he'd heard tell of a week before.
But in a heartbeat, pal Dick said to Dub: "Look, this is the BEST THING that could've happened to us! Now we have justification to send our volunteers to secure oil fields and ultimately the whole middle east for us!
Think of what this will do for the sagging economy, Mr. President! You'll be able to make a return for investment to all the corporate, fat-wallets that bought us our time in office!
Now you buck up and wave the flag. Go top ground zero and act like you're a real fighter! The country's like putty in your hands at this moment. They percieve this is war because you've said we've been attacked. No one will doubt you or your motives for a moment.
And don't worry about the constitution tying your hands. We'll explain that in this hi-tech age - that our founding fathers never envisioned - we have to put some of that idealistic fluff aside to "keep us all safe".
Once we've run this thing for all it's worth, no one that has any money will care that we've driven it into the ground. And those that don't have any money - what the HELL are they gonna do about it???"

Stupid is as Stupid does

Soldier Boy — 11:21 PM Mar 13, 2007

I hate to believe the rumors that during the last visit anyone would be so rude as to spit at anyone who has served and paid the price with part of his/her body.

That put to the side as "Rumor", I now read the most hateful post and have to question why?

Why is it so many have to be verbally abusive to someone else to try and get a point across? Being said hater did you get the response you expected?

If you can not understand a soldiers way of thinking, or actions I seriously doubt anyone can explain it to you. But it is so much easier for people to play Monday night armchair quarterback and blame everyone else after the fact than it is to act, and take responsibility for those actions.

If someone wishes to make a peaceful demonstration then so be it speak out its your right. But DO NOT THINK FOR ONE INSTANCE I or my friends will sit by and allow you to destroy the memory of a AMERICAN who sacrificed it all so that you can play your games. I have as much right as anyone else to be upset over the War being injured, loosing friends, and time I will never get back from loved ones. But you over step your free speech when you start trying to destroy memories' of loved ones.

If you are an American then why would you want to destroy it, hurt it in any way?

Once again use your right but use it wisely. If you hurt someone by attacking; their memories of loved ones, them and/or their loved ones personally (whether it be physical or verbal), then do not cry about their means of protection.

PS while you are doing your little March why don't you bring out the fact that since this is a "WAR" then we (AMERICA) need to stop crying for our Soldiers to use kid glove actions and used as a glorified Police force. That is what upsets me most about both sides, neither will take the time to look at this so called "WAR" being nothing more than a police force action that endangers more than if it where a war.

friend — 12:59 AM Mar 14, 2007

everyone in this country has the right to choose what they want to believe and how they want to act.

activists do not have the right to speak for anyone but themselves. no one asked them to speak for any others, that's a burden they have taken upon themselves.

sure you have a right to petition your congressional representative to see that your wishes are heard, but that representative will answer to the wishes of his/her entire constituency, and not all may see as you do.

soldiers chose to join the military and they choose to continue to fight this war. only the weak are "made" to fight it because they are easily intimidated. many, many strong soldiers have chosen to stay in the fight, and many strong soldiers have chosen to face the consequences of making the decision to no longer participate in this war. both are equally strong for both have listened to their own hearts and not the demands of those who wish to manipulate them to their group's way of thinking. how do i know this? my husband is a soldier, and he is far from weak. he makes his choice. no one makes it for him. he chooses when to fight and what regulations are to be followed, just as every soldier who serves. he chooses when he can no longer commit to the mission asked of him, just as every soldier who serves. the weakness is in believing that others are 'made' to act. the strength is not in fighting war or fighting against war. the strength is standing for what you believe with enough integrity and honor to realize that you do not have the right to tell others what to believe. the shame is how many believe, egotistically, that they have the right to impose their will on others whether it be for or against the military - please get it - you can only claim that right for yourself.



activists may claim to choose peace, but their activism is far from peaceful.

i choose to live in peace, not by demonstrating in public places where others have the right to not have to hear what i have to say, but by living my life in the space that is mine, and doing my best not to disrespect the choices of those who do not believe as i do.

i believe in peace, but i do not believe that i have the right to impose my beliefs on others. and i will not.

those who want to understand what i believe are free to ask. if i am not asked, it is because no one wants to know, and i will walk on.

this is the essence of peace. and many more Americans believe as i do than not. they go to work every day, face their responsibilities, take care of their families and their homes. they do not righteously believe that they have a right to take on the responsibilities of others because no one has that right.

soldiers fight because they believe in what they are fighting for, and every soldier has the right to say no when he no longer believes. he will face consequences for his actions, but don't we all face consequences for our actions in everything we do? isn't that life? and isn't that our right?

you say you're for peace. you say you're for freedom.

then please give us the freedom to make our own choices, our own decisions and please stop believing that you speak for me, because you do not. you cannot. you can only speak for yourselves.

friend?

Rita — 10:32 AM Mar 16, 2007

Soldiers join, but under what circumstances should they be used? Any? at the discrestion of a madman?

The mutual trust between the Commander in Cheif and the troops is that he/she will not put them in harms way unless it is absolutely necessary.

The fight for justice is not done in the living room. It is messy and uncomfortable and sometimes not so peaceful.

You say you believe in peace, but are you willing to pay for a war that is unjust? Are you willing to let the government use your tax money to build WMDs?

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

It is not unpeaceful to protest an unjust war. Protesting is peaceful. Protesting and posting doesn't force anything on anyone. It is a voluntary act to read these posts.

Is the act of faith merely contemplative? or are to act through the spirit as well?

friend — 10:17 PM Mar 16, 2007

Soldiers are only used when they allow themselves to be. Any soldier can say NO at any time to any aspect of an order they believe to be wrong, or to any order in which they believe themselves to be used.

Soldiers have the choice. They will face consequences for their choices -- but they must, and will be, the soldier's choices.

Soldiers choose to go to war, they choose to go AWOL, they choose to desert, they choose to return to war- - and they choose to stand against the command when they know the orders are wrong, and go to prison for the choice.

There are always options -- and every option has a consequence, just as every single part of life has a consequence.

Each of us must make our choices, and will face our consequences until we are no longer willing to.

If soldiers are still willing to go to war, it is because they are not yet tired of the consequences.

Soldiers, blah, blah, blah....?

Rita — 10:00 AM Mar 17, 2007

What is the point of that last post friend?

There are legal ramifications for the soldiers, yes, but what about the Commander in Chief? He broke the trust. They are doing their duty. What are the consequences for Bush waging this illegal preemptimve military action on Iraq?

March 18th

Snakeman — 10:35 PM Mar 18, 2007

Obviously, Most of you gutless shehanetes, forgot to show up for your group grope. Where was Hanoi Jane? And all the rest of you? 30,000 Eagles showed up. and even cleaned up after you jerks. Must feel real proud of yourselves. Busing in middle school kids to inflate your numbers. Rest assured. This is only the first confrontage that you will have. For every event you shoe up to, three of our numbers will show up to counter you. Where was your high profile assholes? You just got the first dose of a silent majority in your face reponse to your stupid asses.

Service Oath

Bob w/a "B" LVMC — 04:35 AM Mar 19, 2007

Yes Cindy, I do remember my service oath. "...against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."
You give aid to the foreign enemy by your actions, which makes YOU the domestic enemy.

Snake oil

BobK — 02:05 PM Mar 19, 2007

Snakeman - this stuff is all in the realm of reality. Nothing that you IMAGINE really happens. See - reality - imagination - two VASTLY different things. "30K Eagles showed up" What is that? Is that what's referred to as the "new math"? Or maybe it's borne of the same thinking that inspired the "Mission Accomplished" BS some years back. Lay off the dope before your next post!

Bob w/a...... You'd better clean your rifle and get crackin'! Our biggest foe is currently residing in the White House!

Hey Cindy!

Old Fart — 10:09 PM Mar 19, 2007

Did you have a good time at the protest? Too bad Hanoi Jane was a "no show".
Did you happen to notice all those people standing on the march route jeering you! You know, the possibly 30,000 counter-protesters that "Gathering of Eagles" managed to put together in 6 lousy weeks who paid their own way there, rode motorcycles in the cold that apparently kept 80% of the 30,000 you secured permits to protest for, home?
Once again, you got the bulk of the main stream media attention but those days are comming to a close, for the MSM and for you, thanks to the Net.
Here, let me fill you in on what you may have missed.
DJH
THE EAGLES HAVE LANDED AND THEY ARE STAYING.
Although the temperatures were in the 30s and there were some strong winds, Saturday was one of the warmest days on record for the veterans, current military and their supporters, who attended the first Gathering of Eagles.
Jack Cunningham http://www.capveterans.com/national_veterans_memorials_protection/

Hanoi Jane aka Jane Fonda was a no show for the anti-war protest. (I wonder why?)

......................
What an outstanding day! The Eagles soared!
You should be very proud of your fellow veterans, families, and supporters. There’s so much to tell, and we encourage you to post your experiences in the comments.
In the meantime, two items of business: 1) we have a gallery open for you to upload your digital photos to the website. That way you can share your photos with others. See the tab in the top right corner of the site. 2) the first unofficial estimate of the Eagle turn-out today…
30,000!
That figure may be adjusted upward as more figure are tallied during the week. Fox News reported today that the anti-war protesters had significantly less than they expected. However, they are erroneously reporting that the Eagles were there in “equal numbers”. The truth is that we outnumbered them by at least three to one!
Consider…ANSWER had a year to plan their well-publicized event and were hoping for around 100,000. They actually drew about 5,000-10,000, according to various news reports today. The Gathering of Eagles, on the other hand, had about six weeks to plan an unprecedented response - and with no advertising, no publicity, no celebrity or political endorsement, no news coverage, and no big money, we had about 30,000 boots on the ground!
The volunteers poured themselves into this historic event, and all of you who attended gave so much to be there. I’ll stop here and let your words speak for themselves.
-Heidi http://gatheringofeagles.org/
............................

Dreamer

Robert — 11:31 AM Mar 21, 2007

30K pairs of boots on the ground?????????????????? Old Fart - see - this is what happens when you get old. Your perception of reality goes askew!
Too bad your imaginary corps didn't have their "gear" with them or ol' Dippity Dub coulda just marched you guys out to Ron Reagan field and loaded you on some C-17s. Coupla cases of Geritol and some badges of bravery (medals) and he'd have had his "surge", sarge! (BTW, you do remember Ronald "OUR GOD" Reagan, right? He's the "god" that ol' Dub talks to when he needs advice! Sadly, Dub's never even mastered bein' a B-grade movie actor. Consequently, he has a hard time getting his "lines" right!)

Stale Fart proclaims: "you got the bulk of the main stream media attention but those days are comming to a close"

Why is THAT, Oldie??? Is Fox News planning a buyout of the other outlets OR are you counting on a Nazi-style lockdown of outlets that don't serve the Fascist's ideals? Pssstt... If you haven't looked at anything besides Fox of late, there's a real, talon-bearing destiny swooping in on the Blight House of late.
See - REAL AMERICANS - are getting a belly-full of a militaristic, imperialistic way of governing. Their tired of a bunch of swindling draft-dodgers literally calling the shots! You kick ass and take names types need to slink back under your rocks and resume polishing your bullets. Ol' Dub, is about to be evicted from his Rightstag along with the rest of his "Chancellory"

Dreamer, your name says it all. Did mommy help you with that post?

YouCan'tHandleTh — 11:58 AM Mar 25, 2007

Cindy Sheenan is a mockery to anyone who believes in civilization. Her antics embarrass those that seek to understand how to end this conflict and preserve the peace. I agree her brave son must be crying in heaven over what his Mom has done to divide our country. Her endless hate is doing nothing to help and so much to hurt. Please stop. Please.

YouCan'tHandleThe .......... reading!

Robert — 03:21 AM Mar 26, 2007

No, my mommy didn't help me and it's obvious your mommy didn't help you either. If she HAD, you'd have realized that "Dreamer" was a reference to the delusional dolt I was responding to - Old Fart.

See, in YOUR case, we'd know less about your shortcomings if you'd JUST KEPT YOUR MOUTH SHUT. But NO - like all the other's of your ilk, you just HAVE to show the world how dim-witted you are. Of course, everybody's gotta be proud about SOMETHIN' eh?
You and your kind will cry for YOUR moms one day - but it won't be from heaven.

Tell ya what - I'm gonna donate some bucks to Cindy's cause in YOUR name! How's that?

When they handed your son

TommyG — 09:32 AM Mar 26, 2007

a uniform and a rifle, what do you and he thought he it was for?

Playing soldier or being one?

Also, get a job; shilling for leftist America haters like Code Stink and Chavez ain't no kind of a of living.

TommyG

Robert — 02:58 PM Mar 27, 2007

"a uniform and a rifle, what do you and he thought he it was for?"

"Also, get a job; shilling for leftist America haters like Code Stink and Chavez ain't no kind of a of living."

tommy, if your grammatical abilities match your comprehension of things, it's easy to see why you can't. (can't see, that is)

And while giving me employment tips, consider that YOU'RE HERE! What work is it that you're ignoring.
Heh - mental midgets - laughable, loathable! Go play with your guns.

The threat we face.

Smedly Butler — 01:38 AM Mar 31, 2007

http://www.consumptionjunction.com/downloads/cj_34947.wmv

The threat we face - bullshit.

Robert — 07:14 PM Mar 31, 2007

That MAY BE the threat YOU face when you wander the supposedly safe streets of Baghdad. Of course, McCain says we can take a "Sunday stroll" there now. (LOL!)
But what about the assinations that happen in EVERY CITY across the USA on a daily basis??? Where's the outrage and the revenge for THESE attacks??? Heh - we just LOOK the other way! We're infiltrated and at the mercy of numerous gangs throughout the land and our federal government hardly takes notice. we're too busy trying to stop the exact same things in someone ELSE'S cities. What friggin' lunacy!!!!
You goddamned war mongers are dumber than the lead in your bullets.

The threat we face - bullshit.

Smedly Butler — 05:32 AM Apr 03, 2007

Bob and Elise wrote:
"You goddamned war mongers are dumber than the lead in your bullets."

How is it you ascertain that I am a war monger?
I mentioned nothing of being for the war.

Bob and Elise wrote" But what about the assinations that happen in EVERY CITY across the USA on a daily basis??? Where's the outrage and the revenge for THESE attacks???

I agree with you, there was no outrage or vengence when a Muslin extremist walked into a jewish community center in Seattle and killed one women and wounded six others.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/279302_shooting28ww.html

When another muslim extremist opened fire in a Salt lake city shopping mall, killing six and wounding many more, you are absolutely correct, there was no public outcry.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003569436_mall13.html

When a muslim student crashed his SUV into a group of students at UNC, there was no out cry.

when a muslim cabbie ran over students in NASHVILLE, Tenn, you are corect again! There was no public outcry.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1787569/posts

When nick berg and three other American contracters whre savagely beheaded, there was no outcry for the revenge for these attacks.
http://www.consumptionjunction.com/downloads/cj_34947.wmv

Bob and Elsie, I agree with you 100% and may God protect you and you family from such attacks and savage brutality.

If he does not and you should fall victims, I promise to make a huge outcry, and demand revenge.

Tunnel Vision

Robert — 08:13 PM Apr 03, 2007

How long did it take you to search up all the anti-muslim incidents?

FAR more terrorist attacks are perpetrated by ethnic gangs EVERY DAY across this country!

Dippity Dub would have us believe that the "terrorists" we're flailing against with futility in Iraq are gonna swim behind the troop ships when we bring our boys 'n girls home. MEANWHILE..... ol' Dippity wants to grant a pardon to the TWELVE MILLION who've made their way here illegaly without even CARING what percentage of them are "terrorists" waiting to prey and spray on innocent victims in our very heartland.
Worse yet, Dip and company made what's at best, a TOKEN gesture at devising a means of keeping even MORE alien terrorists from walking across our borders.
This president and his gang of self-serving thieves is as STUPID a strategist as you could come up with to lead this nation. He's IGNORING the will of the people while defending his bull-headedness by saying that he SPEAKS for the people. He's a liar and a bad one at that.
Thanks to this jizzwad and his henchmen, American oil companies have strong-armed the puppet government of Iraq to insure they get to pump and sell the oil that comes out of Iraq henceforth. Are you dumb enough to think that the oil profits are gonna PAY for this war as we taxpayers were promised, up front?
Heh! We'll never see a DIME of that money in the federal coffers, idiot. The terrorists were simply a convenient means to an end - fattening corporate pockets.

I see where you repeately AGREE with me that there wasn't "public outcry" at most of the incidents you've brought up. Now WHY is that??? Could it be that the public saw these as isolated incidents and not as parts of some greater jihad as you'd be quick to suggest?
Methinks YOU are trying to stir a frothing fervor against Muslims - who are by and large less intrusive than alot of christians I know.

I don't WANT God's "protection" from evil. It's gods of all sorts that are at the root of just about every conflict in history. STUPID. A bunch of spineless idiots trusting their misdeeds to something they can't see and they know CAN'T exact punishment on them in this life. Let your god protect YOU and we'll just stand aside whilst you all kill one another on the strength of suspicions.
Which BTW, STILL makes you dumber than the lead in your bullets.